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View Poll Results: Do you use some form of "pivot aiming" CTE - Pro One - 90/90
I use pivot aiming for all my shot making 2 8.33%
I use pivot aiming for the majority of my shots 3 12.50%
I use pivot aiming for some of my shots 3 12.50%
I don't use it 3 12.50%
I use CTE 7 29.17%
I use 90/90 5 20.83%
I use Pro One 10 41.67%
I've tried pivot aiming and had no success using it 1 4.17%
I've never tried pivot aiming, but would like to 0 0%
It's not been proven mathematically so it's useless 0 0%
The objectivity of the systems is too subjective 2 8.33%
It's snake oil 2 8.33%
Why bother, HAMB works for me 2 8.33%
Why bother, Contact Points works for me 1 4.17%
Why bother, Ghost Ball works for me 1 4.17%
Why bother, Fractional Aiming works for me 2 8.33%
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CTE - Pro One - 90/90 Usage Poll - 09-07-2019, 08:58 AM

A poll to basically see how many people on this forum use some form of CTE - Pro One - 90/90...or not The poll is multiple choice and votes are public. Vote accurately please, but other than that, thread civility is optional


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09-07-2019, 09:26 AM

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A poll to basically see how many people on this forum use some form of CTE - Pro One - 90/90...or not The poll is multiple choice and votes are public. Vote accurately please, but other than that, thread civility is optional
90-90 is "a form of CTE"?

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09-07-2019, 09:35 AM

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90-90 is "a form of CTE"?

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You aim at one place depending on the angle of the shot and pivot to center cue ball. I would say it is.

I'll correct my statement. No, it's not, sorry for any confusion.


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09-07-2019, 10:05 AM

I have been using cte for about 9 months. But before i was using a different pivot system for about 1 year that is similar to cte imho called the see system.

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You aim at one place depending on the angle of the shot and pivot to center cue ball. I would say it is.
So if you pivot you're using CTE?

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So if you pivot you're using CTE?

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Probably other systems that use a pivot. I only know what I've used. Was a contact shooter for many years before pivot. Still use it for certain situations.


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09-07-2019, 05:38 PM

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I have been using cte for about 9 months. But before i was using a different pivot system for about 1 year that is similar to cte imho called the see system.

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I didnít think see system used a pivot

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You aim at one place depending on the angle of the shot and pivot to center cue ball. I would say it is.
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Since you don't pivot to Center to Edge, you are correct, I was in error.


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09-08-2019, 08:13 AM

CTE/Pro 1 is definitely different than any other "pivot" style aiming method, because the pivot or sweep is not in reference to any specific aim point or place on the object ball -- it is in reference to ccb, the "fixed" ccb you get when your body/vision is positioned at a certain cb perception based on the two line visuals between the cb and ob (CTE and ETA, B or C). This makes it better, imo, than other pivot systems. There is more to it in order to consistently get it to work, like specific bridge distances when manually pivoting, or experienced judgement when sweeping, but the two visuals definitely enhance the line of reference for the pivot/sweep.

And before any CTEers say I'm wrong about specific bridge distances needed for manually pivoting, just know I am only repeating the exact words Stan has said about the matter. And when I say "judgement" for sweeps it's because the sweep involves a precise bridge hand/V placement (just right or left of the fixed ccb perception/line). These are things learned through practice and trial and error. This is why it isn't something most players can do consistently right out of the box, and sometimes even after weeks or months of trying.

But everything takes practice in order to become consistent. The more times you successfully do something the more consistent you get at doing it. It doesn't matter if you pivot in reference to a specific spot on the ob based on the approximate angle of the shot, or if you pivot or sweep based on a specific "perception" of ccb, or if you aim straight at a spot on the ob with no pivot, or aim at an estimated ghostball, or estimated contact points, etc.... it all takes practice to develop consistency.

I happen to favor aiming methods that are more straightforward, meaning you stand directly behind the cb and fix your vision so that you imagine a line from ccb to the ob that will cause the ob to go the pocket. If you can visualize this line consistently you don't need any aiming system. But this is easier for some than others, because some people just have better spacial skills. That's where practice comes in. Some need more, some need less. Some aiming methods require more practice for some players but maybe not so much practice for others. Find a method that resonates with you and stick with it. However, if you've been using and practicing your method daily for several weeks or months, and you still find yourself missing a lot of shots, try a different aiming method because there are probably too many variables that rely on experience, and you won't develop consistency until each variable becomes consistent. Either that or your stroke is too inconsistent to allow you consistent results with your aiming method. Regardless, you're relying on the HAMB method, and it'll take a while.


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Since you don't pivot to Center to Edge, you are correct, I was in error.
Sounds like your talking to yourself. Really. You dont pivot all the way from edge to center in cte.

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Sounds like your talking to yourself. Really. You dont pivot all the way from edge to center in cte.

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I pivot from [edge of cue ball - to A/B/C etc. on object ball] [first part of process] [to center of cue ball - to opposite edge of object ball] except for extremely thin cuts. At least that's the way I do it. I line up the shot using Pro One perceptions and table pivot most of the time. Works for me. Some shots I just air pivot also.


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Wrong. - 09-08-2019, 02:29 PM

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CTE/Pro 1 is definitely different than any other "pivot" style aiming method, because the pivot or sweep is not in reference to any specific aim point or place on the object ball -- it is in reference to ccb, the "fixed" ccb you get when your body/vision is positioned at a certain cb perception based on the two line visuals between the cb and ob (CTE and ETA, B or C). This makes it better, imo, than other pivot systems. There is more to it in order to consistently get it to work, like specific bridge distances when manually pivoting, or experienced judgement when sweeping, but the two visuals definitely enhance the line of reference for the pivot/sweep.
And before any CTEers say I'm wrong about specific bridge distances needed for manually pivoting, just know I am only repeating the exact words Stan has said about the matter. And when I say "judgement" for sweeps it's because the sweep involves a precise bridge hand/V placement (just right or left of the fixed ccb perception/line). These are things learned through practice and trial and error. This is why it isn't something most players can do consistently right out of the box, and sometimes even after weeks or months of trying.
I had a conversation with Stan Shuffett about this post of yours today.
Stan had this to say..here is his direct quote
"Concerning Brianís most recent long post in the aiming thread, you can let him know that CTE PRO ONE has evolved greatly over the past 5 years and what he thinks he knows about bridge distances and bridge V placement for my CTE work is dead wrong".


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