Go Back   AzBilliards.com > Main Category > Main Forum
Reload this Page Rule regarding slo mo instead of ref (or when ref not available)
Reply
 
Share Thread Tools Rate Thread
Rule regarding slo mo instead of ref (or when ref not available)
Old
  (#1)
td873
BCA PCA ABA
td873 has a reputation beyond reputetd873 has a reputation beyond reputetd873 has a reputation beyond reputetd873 has a reputation beyond reputetd873 has a reputation beyond reputetd873 has a reputation beyond reputetd873 has a reputation beyond reputetd873 has a reputation beyond reputetd873 has a reputation beyond reputetd873 has a reputation beyond reputetd873 has a reputation beyond repute
 
td873's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 1,655
vCash: 1000
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Houston
   
Rule regarding slo mo instead of ref (or when ref not available) - 09-11-2019, 10:17 AM

Does anyone know if there is a current rule proposal to allow phone slow mo video to decide hit calls? We sometimes use it when there's no ref. And, it's very hard to dispute the call when it's on video.

Everyone has a phone these days, and virtually all have slow motion capture. And I find that videoing is no more intrusive than having a ref there.

Lots of sports have instant replay. For pool, it could be implemented instead of waving your stick for a ref to come over...

-td [just a thought (which my wife has told me to stop doing)]


Black + Gilbert J/B
Justis
9' GC I/II [Diamond Specs] [Littman light]
Simonis HR [Tournament blue]
Aramith Pro Cup TV / Cyclop
  
Reply With Quote

Old
  (#2)
sbpoolleague
Banned
sbpoolleague has a reputation beyond reputesbpoolleague has a reputation beyond reputesbpoolleague has a reputation beyond reputesbpoolleague has a reputation beyond reputesbpoolleague has a reputation beyond reputesbpoolleague has a reputation beyond reputesbpoolleague has a reputation beyond reputesbpoolleague has a reputation beyond reputesbpoolleague has a reputation beyond reputesbpoolleague has a reputation beyond reputesbpoolleague has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 659
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Santa Barbara
   
09-11-2019, 10:39 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by td873 View Post
Does anyone know if there is a current rule proposal to allow phone slow mo video to decide hit calls? We sometimes use it when there's no ref. And, it's very hard to dispute the call when it's on video.

Everyone has a phone these days, and virtually all have slow motion capture. And I find that videoing is no more intrusive than having a ref there.

Lots of sports have instant replay. For pool, it could be implemented instead of waving your stick for a ref to come over...

-td [just a thought (which my wife has told me to stop doing)]
A rule to ALLOW video?? Didn't know video was NOT allowed.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#3)
BRussell
AzB Silver Member
BRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond reputeBRussell has a reputation beyond repute
 
BRussell's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 3,607
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Apr 2013
   
09-11-2019, 10:44 AM

I'm not convinced video helps as much as people think. In my experience, most of the time when people have taken video on a close call, there's still plenty of disagreement.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#4)
garczar
AzB Silver Member
garczar has a reputation beyond reputegarczar has a reputation beyond reputegarczar has a reputation beyond reputegarczar has a reputation beyond reputegarczar has a reputation beyond reputegarczar has a reputation beyond reputegarczar has a reputation beyond reputegarczar has a reputation beyond reputegarczar has a reputation beyond reputegarczar has a reputation beyond reputegarczar has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 8,287
vCash: 500
iTrader: 13 / 93%
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Murica
   
09-11-2019, 10:46 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by td873 View Post
Does anyone know if there is a current rule proposal to allow phone slow mo video to decide hit calls? We sometimes use it when there's no ref. And, it's very hard to dispute the call when it's on video.

Everyone has a phone these days, and virtually all have slow motion capture. And I find that videoing is no more intrusive than having a ref there.

Lots of sports have instant replay. For pool, it could be implemented instead of waving your stick for a ref to come over...

-td [just a thought (which my wife has told me to stop doing)]
I'd rather just call someone over to call it. Someone still has to make a decision regardless if its video'd or not. MUCH rather have someone standing over it with their y/n being FINAL. The less phones in the 'hall the better.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#5)
nibrobus
AzB Silver Member
nibrobus has a reputation beyond reputenibrobus has a reputation beyond reputenibrobus has a reputation beyond reputenibrobus has a reputation beyond reputenibrobus has a reputation beyond reputenibrobus has a reputation beyond reputenibrobus has a reputation beyond reputenibrobus has a reputation beyond reputenibrobus has a reputation beyond reputenibrobus has a reputation beyond reputenibrobus has a reputation beyond repute
 
nibrobus's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 253
vCash: 500
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Join Date: Aug 2005
   
09-11-2019, 10:48 AM

I've used the super slo-mo on my phone several times in our local weekly tourney. Every player that's asked me to watch the hit has loved the feature. There's been 2 or 3 times where the naked eye would have called the hit good or bad, but reviewing the video reversed the call. I personally think it's great and takes about 2 seconds to set up, which saves X amount of time arguing the call.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#6)
Bob Jewett
Northern California

Bob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 16,684
vCash: 1700
iTrader: 12 / 100%
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Berkeley, CA
   
09-11-2019, 10:53 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by td873 View Post
Does anyone know if there is a current rule proposal to allow phone slow mo video to decide hit calls? We sometimes use it when there's no ref. And, it's very hard to dispute the call when it's on video.

Everyone has a phone these days, and virtually all have slow motion capture. And I find that videoing is no more intrusive than having a ref there.

Lots of sports have instant replay. For pool, it could be implemented instead of waving your stick for a ref to come over...

-td [just a thought (which my wife has told me to stop doing)]
Here is part of WPA regulation 5:
5 Playing with an "Area" Referee
...
If a dispute arises between two players in an unrefereed match, and the area referee is asked to make a decision without having seen the cause of the dispute, he should be careful to understand the situation as completely as possible. This might include asking trusted witnesses, reviewing video tapes, or reenacting the shot.
...
So..., it is already permitted to look at video if it is available. The problem I see is that the shooter might object that the camera is distracting him. In that case you can wait for the ref to come over and distract him.

In the case of the WPA rules, you have to read both the rules and the regulations (which are details about how the rules are to be applied and dress code and such).

Here are the regulations: https://wpapool.com/rule-regulations/
and here are the rules: https://wpapool.com/rules-of-play/


Bob Jewett
SF Billiard Academy
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#7)
tucson9ball
AzB Silver Member
tucson9ball has a reputation beyond reputetucson9ball has a reputation beyond reputetucson9ball has a reputation beyond reputetucson9ball has a reputation beyond reputetucson9ball has a reputation beyond reputetucson9ball has a reputation beyond reputetucson9ball has a reputation beyond reputetucson9ball has a reputation beyond reputetucson9ball has a reputation beyond reputetucson9ball has a reputation beyond reputetucson9ball has a reputation beyond repute
 
tucson9ball's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 2,149
vCash: 175
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Join Date: May 2008
   
09-11-2019, 11:50 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by td873 View Post
Does anyone know if there is a current rule proposal to allow phone slow mo video to decide hit calls? We sometimes use it when there's no ref. And, it's very hard to dispute the call when it's on video.

Everyone has a phone these days, and virtually all have slow motion capture. And I find that videoing is no more intrusive than having a ref there.

Lots of sports have instant replay. For pool, it could be implemented instead of waving your stick for a ref to come over...

-td [just a thought (which my wife has told me to stop doing)]
There is no rule about using slomo.....yet.
I have used it a few times and it's a great tool. Anybody can download the super slo mo app for free and it makes calling hits a breeze.



Chris
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#8)
td873
BCA PCA ABA
td873 has a reputation beyond reputetd873 has a reputation beyond reputetd873 has a reputation beyond reputetd873 has a reputation beyond reputetd873 has a reputation beyond reputetd873 has a reputation beyond reputetd873 has a reputation beyond reputetd873 has a reputation beyond reputetd873 has a reputation beyond reputetd873 has a reputation beyond reputetd873 has a reputation beyond repute
 
td873's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 1,655
vCash: 1000
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Houston
   
09-11-2019, 12:00 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Jewett View Post
Here is part of WPA regulation 5:

So..., it is already permitted to look at video if it is available. The problem I see is that the shooter might object that the camera is distracting him. In that case you can wait for the ref to come over and distract him.

...

Here are the regulations: https://wpapool.com/rule-regulations/
and here are the rules: https://wpapool.com/rules-of-play/
Very helpful, Bob. Thanks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tucson9ball View Post
There is no rule about using slomo.....yet.
I have used it a few times and it's a great tool. Anybody can download the super slo mo app for free and it makes calling hits a breeze.
Agreed. I have personally never seen a slow mo video cause disagreement, but I'm sure there are situations where it might occur.

-td


Black + Gilbert J/B
Justis
9' GC I/II [Diamond Specs] [Littman light]
Simonis HR [Tournament blue]
Aramith Pro Cup TV / Cyclop
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#9)
benjaminwah
AzB Silver Member
benjaminwah has a reputation beyond reputebenjaminwah has a reputation beyond reputebenjaminwah has a reputation beyond reputebenjaminwah has a reputation beyond reputebenjaminwah has a reputation beyond reputebenjaminwah has a reputation beyond reputebenjaminwah has a reputation beyond reputebenjaminwah has a reputation beyond reputebenjaminwah has a reputation beyond reputebenjaminwah has a reputation beyond reputebenjaminwah has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 158
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: May 2015
   
09-11-2019, 01:21 PM

I've asked about this with the APA, was told there is no rule allowing recording devices so no. I argued how much sense it would make, it fell on deaf ears.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#10)
Celophanewrap
Call me Grace
Celophanewrap has a reputation beyond reputeCelophanewrap has a reputation beyond reputeCelophanewrap has a reputation beyond reputeCelophanewrap has a reputation beyond reputeCelophanewrap has a reputation beyond reputeCelophanewrap has a reputation beyond reputeCelophanewrap has a reputation beyond reputeCelophanewrap has a reputation beyond reputeCelophanewrap has a reputation beyond reputeCelophanewrap has a reputation beyond reputeCelophanewrap has a reputation beyond repute
 
Celophanewrap's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 7,000
vCash: 1700
iTrader: 17 / 100%
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Colorado
   
09-11-2019, 01:34 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by benjaminwah View Post
I've asked about this with the APA, was told there is no rule allowing recording devices so no. I argued how much sense it would make, it fell on deaf ears.
I checked with the APA a short while ago and was told at that time that the use of video
replay is forbidden in the APA. This is the same on the national level.
But I imagine it depends on which league or tournament and which set of rules you're playing under

Last edited by Celophanewrap; 09-11-2019 at 01:39 PM.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#11)
JasBy
AzB Silver Member
JasBy has a reputation beyond reputeJasBy has a reputation beyond reputeJasBy has a reputation beyond reputeJasBy has a reputation beyond reputeJasBy has a reputation beyond reputeJasBy has a reputation beyond reputeJasBy has a reputation beyond reputeJasBy has a reputation beyond reputeJasBy has a reputation beyond reputeJasBy has a reputation beyond reputeJasBy has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 282
vCash: 500
iTrader: 12 / 100%
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Minneapolis, MN
   
09-11-2019, 01:37 PM

I would think if you can record a video from a respectful distance then there should be no problem, but if you are trying to record a double cue ball hit and need to be in the players view or right on top of the table? WAY to many ways to shark someone.
  
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.