Csi you don’t need league plays and it’s around 150 to enter!
APA screwed our very own sleinen out of a national championship
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Csi you don’t need league plays and it’s around 150 to enter!
Maybe. I personally think I've become a better person.. The old me just drifted from topic to topic, looking for a fight. Now, the trolls don't even get to me.
While I am trying to be my better self, I truly think this team got f0cked.
"our 4 had a 2-2 record and was raised anyway. Others had a 1-2 record and were raised"
That's from Sleinen's post. If true I don't see how anybody can deny they got screwed. APA could clear it up by posting the criteria as to how players get their handicap raised at the national tournament. Money can cause funny things to happen.
It doesn’t matter what their records are, it matters what their wins amounted to. Thourough ass kickings change your rating quicker than just barely winning.
I saw Sleinen’s team several times. I don’t believe anyone thought they did anything
wrong, they just played well. I believe some of their team was borderline to moving up
to the next skill level, as they advanced their lower rated players really raised their games.
Apparently the wins that came with advancing were played well enough to raise
skill levels, the medium and senior players didn’t always play as well, but they had some
really good games/matches with the same results. I don’t believe they got screwed, I
think it’s just the way things worked out. If they got screwed by anyone it was by their
league operator who probably should have made them aware that several were on the
edge of going up, but that’s probably a bit of a stretch too.
You really can’t say someone was 1-2 or 2-2, you still have to take the last 20 matches.
Those players could have both been 18 - 2, or 2 - 18, all (10) of which would have figured
Into their skill level calculation.
The only thing this team did wrong was to try to vape inside the tournament room.
This is a pretty good team, they had a really good chance to win it
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For someone who is not sandbagging, what good is it to tell them they are on the verge of moving up?
A sandbagger would take it easy and pad their innings.
A non-sandbagger would just say "Woohoo! I'm getting better!" and then play even better.
And then get some good wins and get kicked out for sandbagging.
The good would be that before you go to the national tournaments you’re asked to fill
out a certification packet. At that time, if you know you have a player that is dangerously
close to moving up you can certify them at the higher skill level and lower any risk of DQ.
If you go to the national tournaments with the idea of padding innings it’s likely that you
get beat. So all the time you spent sandbagging so you could play there at a lower skill
skill level won’t matter. You get beat, you probably get eliminated.
Padding innings is pretty simple, it doesn’t contribute to keeping your skill level low like
you might think it does. I think most players in the APA really can’t sandbag effectively,
there’s just too much to keep track of
I don't really know the first thing about sandbagging so forgive my ignorance. I just don't see the point.
So the net net is that the LO should have filled out a form raising 5 of their 6 players?
The net is the APA is not for serious players. Its for people that want to have fun. Nothing wrong with that if u go in with eyes wide open.
The net is that the apa is for anyone who wants to play pool. Its various formats are gea ed for anyone from a new player that cannot run two balls starting with bih all the way up to pro level players such as brian parks and that is why its the most succesfull league in the country. .
No, the LO isn’t the one that fills those out. Sean is a bright guy, in my opinion if a, or most
captains know for certain that they have players that are verifiably about to go up right
before the national tournament they will voluntarily raise them instead of risking a DQ.
Better to have your players playing at an accurate skill level than below. Chances are if they are that
close to moving up it will take several losses before they move back down, likely more
than they will have an opportunity for matches at the tournament. Getting DQ’d does
no one any good, why take the chance if you can prevent it?
No really.. you can constantly shut people out but if you have a ton of innings you won’t go up.
Sean,
You are a smart guy. You learned in one session that the APA is a waste of time and money. Big joke. Especially for better players.
"our 4 had a 2-2 record and was raised anyway. Others had a 1-2 record and were raised"
That's from Sleinen.
This is the biggest pool website in the nation. APA is the biggest pool league. You would think a representative of the APA could explain how players with those records in the tournament got raised and what the criteria is for raising the handicap during the national tournament.
On its face it appears to be asinine and I agree the team got screwed and will continue to believe that until a national representative explains exactly what happened and then compares that with the other teams which made it deep in the tournament but were not kicked out.
Says the guy who started this thread with a completely trollish subject line that turned to be, substantially, BS.
I do not think an apa representative needs to come on here and explain their actions to anyone....particularly to non members.
If they chose to post on here it would cause a feeding frenzy of epic proportions from the league hating mob.
Threads like this are exactly why mark griffin chose to quit posting. The more he explained his leagues actions on any particular incident the more he and his league was trashed and bashed.
Haters gonna hate no matter how many logical explanations are given.
Must be they don't start guys as 7s.
Despite a 168 high run I'm still an APA zero....want nothing to do with it.
It’s an objective system. If that’s what the formula is that’s what he is. Although given that I don’t understand why APA officials had to watch their matches to make a decision as someone noted about this incident.
There are a lot of things that don’t add up here. Could be just that the information is incomplete.
Although its a given new. Males start as a 4 Apa has what they call a known player clause when new players become menbers. You can start a new player at a higher rating based on thier known ability to play.
There was a guy who joined a team one night that we were facing. I knew him well as we used to be team mates on a 9 foot table money league. I told the opposing captain he should start as a 7. She said she was willing to start him as a 5 based on my opinion Although she could legaly start him as a 4.
I finally talked her into starting him as a 6 otherwise i was texting the lo and getting him involved . sure enough he was raised to a 7 the following week and has stayed a 7 where he righfully belonged.
So you see why i don't buy your excuse on why a 100 ball runner may be a 6 . kinda odd a poster who has never played apa giving a reason on why an apa player may be rated lower than his known ability.