Disappointing gesture from Shane

PoolRookie

Minnesota
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Is it Snowing? I see Snowflakes!!!

I was watching Shane's match against Aranas on the TV table, and after it was over you could see Shane drag the tip of his cue on the rug to clean it of chalk before he put in the case. He then did the same for the second cue.

For some reason that bothered me. He always seemed like an elegant player, but I thought that lacked class. Surely he could have used a paper towel or his own towel?

Julian

https://youtu.be/EtCenT6VNd0

Crazy. All players do it from all walks of life. This isn’t home carpet. This is commercial grade carpet. People walk in from a dirty parking lot with gum, shit, food, vomit, and much worse. So a light coat of chalk which by the way doesn’t even show on most carpet because of the color of the carpet. Wow can’t believe this is an issue with more than one person, unreal. Read the news find real issues like wide open borders.
 

Shuddy

Diamond Dave’s babysitter
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Crazy. All players do it from all walks of life. This isn’t home carpet. This is commercial grade carpet. People walk in from a dirty parking lot with gum, shit, food, vomit, and much worse. So a light coat of chalk which by the way doesn’t even show on most carpet because of the color of the carpet. Wow can’t believe this is an issue with more than one person, unreal. Read the news find real issues like wide open borders.

That’s not the issue. Do you want pool to one day be as successful as snooker? Or would you prefer most pros struggle to make a living and get by day to day. The players have to hold them themselves to a higher standard. Imagine pool being shown on television to an international audience and a player just starts twisting and dragging his cue over the floor. It looks dirty and disrespectful to the property.

This is not an issue of which problems are more important. This is not about what WE do at home or what WE do in public. This is about wanting the sport to be taken seriously and respected. And an important part of that is presenting it in a respectable and serious light, and a lot of that responsibility falls on the shoulders of the pros in the public spotlight.

Have you ever heard other heard professionals from other cuesport disciplines talk about pool players? Here’s a quote from an ex snooker pro when asked about the positive characteristics of pool players:

“This might seem a bit controversial, but when I compare professional pool players with professional snooker players, there is no comparison. In my experience, quite a big percentage of professional pool players are lazy, scruffy, egotistical and over opinionated. In the most part it’s the complete opposite with professional snooker players: they are the ultimate gentlemen of cue sports and it was a pleasure to play with them for many years.”

Is that how you want people to think of pool players? If so, then let’s hope all the pros keep throwing tantrums about racking, breaking up their opponents racks before they can break, throwing their cues on the floor, punching the table, cleaning their tips on the carpet, etc.
 

RiverCity

AzB Silver Member
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You’re joking right? You can’t see the difference between representing your sport in the public spotlight and all the examples you listed? And do you believe all those things you listed are appropriate behavior? Are you saying you do all those things and it’s okay?

LOL

Another guy who makes a stand on something that is less than trivial.

Lots of people on this forum worship and praise Tony Chohan for his stellar one pocket game.

He just got out of prison a few years ago for getting caught transporting a shitload of dope in the trunk of his car.

But wiping a tip on the carpet is the REAL reason pool cant move forward.... Nothing to do with decades of conmen and douchebags that set the public image of this game.

Nope, pool players who wipe their tips on the rug are (and I quote)

He always seemed like an elegant player, but I thought that lacked class.

Surely the nazis were right then ? After all erybody was doing it.

Classless move

It's just a minor sign of why pool will never get ahead -- I have seen many, many pool players do this over and over.

It is a sign of low breeding...

it speaks volumes about a person's common sense.

I've never seen anyone clean their tip by dragging it on someone's carpet..it's dirty, disrespectful, inconsiderate, classless,

It is most certainly people looking for something judge to complain about. It makes you feel like you are better/smarter/nicer *whatever* than someone else.

The post of mine that you quoted was to list a few examples that most of you have done at least one of (some of which can actually have serious consequences), yet you still feel the need to judge and complain (wrongly so) that these horrible people are holding pool down by doing something that is easily cleaned up when the janitor runs the fooking vacuum cleaner.

This forum is fast turning into the reddit pool site.
 

Shuddy

Diamond Dave’s babysitter
Silver Member
LOL

Another guy who makes a stand on something that is less than trivial.

Lots of people on this forum worship and praise Tony Chohan for his stellar one pocket game.

He just got out of prison a few years ago for getting caught transporting a shitload of dope in the trunk of his car.

But wiping a tip on the carpet is the REAL reason pool cant move forward.... Nothing to do with decades of conmen and douchebags that set the public image of this game.

Nope, pool players who wipe their tips on the rug are (and I quote)



It is most certainly people looking for something judge to complain about. It makes you feel like you are better/smarter/nicer *whatever* than someone else.

The post of mine that you quoted was to list a few examples that most of you have done at least one of (some of which can actually have serious consequences), yet you still feel the need to judge and complain (wrongly so) that these horrible people are holding pool down by doing something that is easily cleaned up when the janitor runs the fooking vacuum cleaner.

This forum is fast turning into the reddit pool site.

No one is saying those things are okay. They are all bad. And no one is, at least I’m not, saying that wiping your tip on the floor is worse than those things. I’m not judging him as a bad person for doing it.

From what I’ve seen, Shane is generally a great ambassador for the sport. He never really loses his cool in the face of less then acceptable behavior from his opponents. He carries himself well. He doesn’t throw tantrums. He works hard. He’s seems like a nice guy to boot.

But that doesn’t mean we want to see him wiping his tip on the floor while on camera. It’s not just that action. It’s what it represents in the broader sense. It’s not wiping a tip on the floor that is holding pool back. But if people approached the sport with the attitude that even that small action is not appropriate when representing the upper echelons of the sport, then maybe we wouldn’t have to put up with all the other crap that is a lot worse.

Put it this way. Imagine pool does start gaining television popularity. Would you prefer the general public see Shane cleaning his cue on a piece of paper or cloth towel, or wiping it on the carpet of a public venue? I don’t care how trivial it is. If you’re actively engaged in this discussion and still think it’s fine to put your filth on someone else’s property, you’re a grub.
 

trob

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
played longer than most here and never wiped my tip off and never had a problem because of it.

and yes it is wrong to wipe anything on someones carpet.

maybe since that doing it is accepted i can see why pool players are looked down upon with good reason.

I’m with you..lol I’ve never wiped a tip off in 30 years with no issue.

If you do it in a casino I don’t anything of it. It’s commercial carpet . It can handle it. I would never do that in someone’s home.
 

RiverCity

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
.... If you’re actively engaged in this discussion and still think it’s fine to put your filth on someone else’s property, you’re a grub.

LOL

And you would be...

A) Judgemental
B) Self Righteous
C) Not able to carry on a conversation without resorting to some form of name calling
D) A pipe dreamer if you believe pool will become popular to mainstream audiences
E) All of the above

E, final answer. :thumbup2:
 

Shuddy

Diamond Dave’s babysitter
Silver Member
LOL

And you would be...

A) Judgemental
B) Self Righteous
C) Not able to carry on a conversation without resorting to some form of name calling
D) A pipe dreamer if you believe pool will become popular to mainstream audiences
E) All of the above

E, final answer. :thumbup2:

A) Judgmental: I think anyone who intentionally dirties someone else’s property when there are more reasonable alternatives is a grub. Yep.

B) Self-righteous: I don’t believe I’m superior because I think it’s inappropriate to leave your mess on other people’s property. I believe I have better social etiquette in this particular aspect if you feel it’s okay. You might be a better pool player than me. You might be better at math than me. You might even have better social etiquette in every other part of your life.

C) Name-calling: I’m not calling you names. I don’t believe you think it’s okay to leave you mess on other people’s property. I think you believe what Shane did is not a big deal (and I agree with you). However, if you think it is okay to create work for people with your mess when there are alternatives, then, yeah, you’re a grub. (I’m Australian by the way. ‘Grub’ is slang for someone who is unclean or dirty. Maybe some cultural interpretation issues there).

D) A pipe dreamer: I don’t believe it will become popular to mainstream audiences. But I believe it can follow in the footsteps of snooker through the 90s and early 2000s. I don’t know if it will, but if it has any chance, then we need to behave as if it’s a possibility.
 

Snooker Theory

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Reading the OP and subsequent replies, for me and my circle of friends, this is a great reminder that no matter who you are or what you see others doing or where you’re at in the world playing any of the cue sports, it’s never “okay” to act classless or disrespectful - toward anyone or anything. Pool room floors included.

My $.02

~ K.

It's just a minor sign of why pool will never get ahead -- I have seen many, many pool players do this over and over.

Yes, the carpet may have coke and beer stains and cigarette burns. But you just don't do it. It is a sign of low breeding and disrespect to the establishment.

Not the end of the world but...

Lou Figueroa
Tap, tap, tap

If somone did that at my house, I'd most likely go clean my tip off on their case... Conversation would probably go someyhing like

"Whoa stop, that is a nice case why you rubbing your chalk all over it?"
"Well this is nice carpet, why you rubbing chalk on it?"
 

sjm

Older and Wiser
Silver Member
That’s not the issue. Do you want pool to one day be as successful as snooker? Or would you prefer most pros struggle to make a living and get by day to day. The players have to hold them themselves to a higher standard. Imagine pool being shown on television to an international audience and a player just starts twisting and dragging his cue over the floor. It looks dirty and disrespectful to the property.

This is not an issue of which problems are more important. This is not about what WE do at home or what WE do in public. This is about wanting the sport to be taken seriously and respected. And an important part of that is presenting it in a respectable and serious light, and a lot of that responsibility falls on the shoulders of the pros in the public spotlight.

Have you ever heard other heard professionals from other cuesport disciplines talk about pool players? Here’s a quote from an ex snooker pro when asked about the positive characteristics of pool players:

“This might seem a bit controversial, but when I compare professional pool players with professional snooker players, there is no comparison. In my experience, quite a big percentage of professional pool players are lazy, scruffy, egotistical and over opinionated. In the most part it’s the complete opposite with professional snooker players: they are the ultimate gentlemen of cue sports and it was a pleasure to play with them for many years.”

Is that how you want people to think of pool players? If so, then let’s hope all the pros keep throwing tantrums about racking, breaking up their opponents racks before they can break, throwing their cues on the floor, punching the table, cleaning their tips on the carpet, etc.

Exactly right.

Most of the infractions cited in this thread are very trivial, but they do tend to paint the wrong picture of our game and create the wrong impression. Your post effectively underscores the lack of respect for their own sport that far too many pool players exhibit. Most, especially on AZB, pooh pooh the importance of it, but those who do so shouldn't dare question why pro pool as presently constituted will never attract the kind of sponsors seen in the two major individual sports, golf and tennis. Pro pool players will continue to attract only those sponsors who will tolerate their poor self-respect (not to mention their deplorable tendency to chop before the finals of an event).

Where far too many pool players get it wrong is that they think that getting paid exuberantly would be the catalyst for presenting themselves with the highest standards of professionalism. It's just the opposite --- they'e got the cause and effect backwards. Presenting themselves and their sport with the highest standards of professionalism can be the catalyst for getting paid exuberantly.

Snooker players were toiling in obscurity forty years ago, but it was when Barry Hearn realized all of the aforementioned and got the snooker players to buy in to his vision that the sport of snooker took off. It didn't happen over night, instead taking years and years, but it did happen. This is a major reason why Matchroom's growing presence in pool is a potential breath of fresh air in our sport.
 
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RiverCity

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Exactly right.

Most of the infractions cited in this thread are very trivial, but they do tend to paint the wrong picture of our game and create the wrong impression. Your post effectively underscores the lack of respect for their own sport that far too many pool players exhibit. Most, especially on AZB, pooh pooh the importance of it, but those who do so shouldn't dare question why pro pool as presently constituted will never attract the kind of sponsors seen in the two major individual sports, golf and tennis. Pro pool players will continue to attract only those sponsors who will tolerate their poor self-respect (not to mention their deplorable tendency to chop before the finals of an event).

Where far too many pool players get it wrong is that they think that getting paid exuberantly would be the catalyst for presenting themselves with the highest standards of professionalism. It's just the opposite --- they'e got the cause and effect backwards. Presenting themselves and their sport with the highest standards of professionalism can be the catalyst for getting paid exuberantly.

It was when Barry Hearn realized all of this and got the snooker players to buy in that the sport of snooker took off. It didn't happen over night, instead taking years and years, but it did happen. This is a major reason why Matchroom's growing presence in pool is a potential breath of fresh air in our sport.

Remember the tuxedo tournaments? Remember the IPT with everyone dressed in suits?

Why arent the players rich? Why hasnt the game skyrocketed after these efforts?

It isnt the presentation, good or bad or otherwise.

No one cares about pool.

Its 2019 in one of the most diverse countries in the world. Sources of sport and entertainment abound. It isnt 1953 with only a few things to watch on a b/w television.

No one cares.

Can they be made to care? As a general population no, I dont think they will ever care about pool.

Holding onto the pipe dream that pool will be a big thing in America, while noble, has proved fruitless for decades.

Any success this game might get, is from marketing it to the people who already play it on a regular basis. League players.

The league players that so many on this forum hold disdain for, are the ones keeping most of the industry alive and financed. They should be the target audience.

Remember the custom motorcycle craze about a 15ish years ago? American Chopper, and all the spin offs? Custom builders coming out of the wood work to cash in on the craze?

Thats exactly what it was, a craze. A fad. Its dead and over.

Poker while still going strong, is no where near the numbers it once had when Chris Moneymaker won the WSOP. Is it dying? Maybe. I think the fat lady is warming up, but only time will tell there.

Pool had its heyday with the American culture. Now its a niche game, that carries a lot of baggage.

This is coming from someone who has loved this game since before I started kindergarten. I would love for it to be successful.

However, I am a realist.
 

garczar

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Remember the tuxedo tournaments? Remember the IPT with everyone dressed in suits?

Why arent the players rich? Why hasnt the game skyrocketed after these efforts?

It isnt the presentation, good or bad or otherwise.

No one cares about pool.

Its 2019 in one of the most diverse countries in the world. Sources of sport and entertainment abound. It isnt 1953 with only a few things to watch on a b/w television.

No one cares.

Can they be made to care? As a general population no, I dont think they will ever care about pool.

Holding onto the pipe dream that pool will be a big thing in America, while noble, has proved fruitless for decades.

Any success this game might get, is from marketing it to the people who already play it on a regular basis. League players.

The league players that so many on this forum hold disdain for, are the ones keeping most of the industry alive and financed. They should be the target audience.

Remember the custom motorcycle craze about a 15ish years ago? American Chopper, and all the spin offs? Custom builders coming out of the wood work to cash in on the craze?

Thats exactly what it was, a craze. A fad. Its dead and over.

Poker while still going strong, is no where near the numbers it once had when Chris Moneymaker won the WSOP. Is it dying? Maybe. I think the fat lady is warming up, but only time will tell there.

Pool had its heyday with the American culture. Now its a niche game, that carries a lot of baggage.

This is coming from someone who has loved this game since before I started kindergarten. I would love for it to be successful.

However, I am a realist.
Agree..........
 

sjm

Older and Wiser
Silver Member
Remember the tuxedo tournaments? Remember the IPT with everyone dressed in suits? Why arent the players rich? Why hasnt the game skyrocketed after these efforts?

Yes, I remember them and even attended one.

So you're surprised that what took Barry Hearn years to accomplish couldn't be accomplished by Kevin Trudeau in his three events (King of the Hill, IPT Las Vegas, IPT Reno)? You don't win the fans or sponsors quickly, and, as was the case with snooker, it can take quite a long time to paint the right picture, but snooker persisted and eventually won the war in gaining respectability and recognition with both fans and sponsors.

So your recommendation is that the players shouldn't take their appearance, behavior, or image seriously because three IPT events weren't enough to magically transform the image of pool players who'd behaved badly for many years, right? Forgive me for not viewing pool as quite the lost cause that you do.
 

RiverCity

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Yes, I remember them and even attended one.

So you're surprised that what took Barry Hearn years to accomplish couldn't be accomplished by Kevin Trudeau in his three events (King of the Hill, IPT Las Vegas, IPT Reno)? You don't win the fans or sponsors quickly, and, as was the case with snooker, it can take quite a long time to paint the right picture, but snooker persisted and eventually won the war in gaining respectability and recognition with both fans and sponsors.

So your recommendation is that the players shouldn't take their appearance, behavior, or image seriously because three IPT events weren't enough to magically transform the image of pool players who'd behaved badly for many years, right? Forgive me for not viewing pool as quite the lost cause that you do.

No, but thanks for the dramatic overtones.

Im saying that worrying about a player wiping chalk off his tip onto the carpet is the least of our concerns.

Apparently I need to be more clear I guess.
 

sjm

Older and Wiser
Silver Member
Im saying that worrying about a player wiping chalk off his tip onto the carpet is the least of our concerns. Apparently I need to be more clear I guess.

No problem. Perhaps I misinterpreted you, but my post did not relate to the issue of wiping off chalk on the carpet, instead relating to the more general matter of how pool players persist in so many ways with acts in which they show less than ideal respect for themselves or the game.
 

Icon of Sin

I can't fold, I need gold. I re-up and reload...
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Pool players do more griping and have strange hang-ups more than any other sports/games players I've ever seen.

In OP's defense, if this bothers him to this level, he is probably not a pool player.
 

logical

Loose Rack
Silver Member
Just because it isn't the most important thing wrong with pool today doesn't mean it isn't worth discussion. Yes, people are starving, pool player dress like slobs, our political system is corrupt, pool isn't a collegiate sport most places, global warming, pro pool is poorly organized, cell phone service is bad in some areas....all important stuff with bigger ramifications than cleaning tips on carpet.

But this thread is about wiping chalk on a carpet. It is an inconsiderate thing to do unless it's your carpet.

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garczar

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
AZ has really gone into the shit tank, officially. A 6 page thread about wiping chalk off on the floor. Of a pool hall.
Or a casino. Tend to agree here. I'm sure the the "No Gambling OR Tip Wiping" signs will be showing up in 'halls everywhere soon. Seriously, i'd like to see players learn how to put the damn chalk down right-side-up on the table. Now this DOES chap my ass. Chalk dust gets everywhere when you set it chalk down on the rail.
 
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