Earl banned by Pat?

jay helfert

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I saw Earl at this best and I saw Earl at his worst. I prefer the former over the latter. He WAS an amazing talent and he became a huge headache. I'm sorry if anyone is offended by my telling the truth about Earl, but it's not in my nature to make excuses for continual bad behaviors. I'm fully aware of his need for psychological aid and medication, but it is not the job of a tournament director to make allowances for his lack of proper treatment. My job was to conduct an event that was as fair as humanly possible for ALL the contestants. When any player disrupts other players and the entire event, then they need to be singled out for their conduct and dealt with accordingly.

Granted that off the table Earl could adapt a very different persona, none of this atones for or excuses how he behaves during actual tournament play. I always believed that we were conducting a professional Pool tournament and not a WWF free for all. For those of you who would prefer to be entertained by someone acting like a complete ass then perhaps this is not the sport for you.

We have had many colorful personalities in the pool world who did not create problems for the other players. Minnesota Fats was by far the most colorful of all the pool personalities I have seen in my lifetime but even he knew his place to shine was not in actual competition but in exhibitions and personal appearances. Perhaps that is a venue more suited for Earl at this point in his career.
 
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chefjeff

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I like that, Bob...forfeit all prize money.

...another beef I got is players conceding games...it must be confusing for uninformed
spectators.....and those are the one that can make professional pool grow.

Another tap tap tap...

My cue butt is hurt!

I hate conceding in a tourney as that can affect the future matches greatly and also those watching don't get what they paid for, a tourney, not a no-play.

I get conceding in a gambling match. It can keep the opponent from gaining a bit of confidence from potting the game ball and that can pay off with a choke later on, but in a tourney, more than the 2 players are affected.


Jeff Livingston
 

Eric.

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Thanks for checking with Pat, and I will regrade my source to less reliable than I thought, then.

I might be partially responsible for this, sorry buddy.

The talk/rumor was that Earl forfeited and was asked to leave (the arena or the tournament itself?) due to how he was berating the player(s) and the referee too. I didn't actually witness it but was told this by one of the doormen (by the main entrance) and another guy standing there. From there, we tried to find out what happened. I guess this thread clears all that up.


Eric
 

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I think at some point Earl was on meds, and it helped his
mood, but he went off them because it affected his game.

I don't think Earl is as relevant today as he was.. he
can still play run out pool, he's just not in the conversation
like Shane, Dennis, Tony, Alex, etc.

Maybe it's time for the Strickland Retirement Tour :cool:
 

westcoast

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It is a shame that he continues to have these problems. He should really see a sports psychologist. Have any of his pool playing friends spoken to him about this? Maybe somebody that he has a strong relationship with that he trusts? Maybe such a person could get him to see how much more successful he would be as a player if he could control his emotions better.

He may not be at the same level in terms of ability as compared with his prime but when he is focused and not distracted by all of his antics he still can play outstanding pool.

It is ridiculous that he rakes racks off the table that are somewhat difficult to run. Of course most pros will get out of those racks, but you never know. I guess in his mind he can say that he didn't really beat me, but that is delusional.
 

Baby Huey

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It comes down to this, "Once is shame on you, twice is shame on me." Tournament Directors know how Earl can and will behave. It is incumbent on them to just not allow him to compete. It's a credibility issue in that you allow someone to disrupt YOUR EVENT and you know it is going to happen.
 

alstl

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I might be partially responsible for this, sorry buddy.

The talk/rumor was that Earl forfeited and was asked to leave (the arena or the tournament itself?) due to how he was berating the player(s) and the referee too. I didn't actually witness it but was told this by one of the doormen (by the main entrance) and another guy standing there. From there, we tried to find out what happened. I guess this thread clears all that up.


Eric

This is classic. A doorman and a guy standing there. Did either of them have orange hair? Were there any Russians in the tournament? This is the kind of information Robert Mueller needs to know about.
 

jrctherake

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I understand Earl. I have hung out with him a little bit between matches and got to know another side of his personality. He's actually a very sweet Southern gentleman when you get to know him. Really very polite and treats women with respect in the traditional old-school Southern culture kind of way.

Like Keith, Earl has very strong feelings about professional pool tournaments in USA. It hurts to see the hometeam crowd rooting for a non-American on American soil. I guess it's like me going to the Washington Nationals game and being surrounded by a bunch of Yankee fans.:grin:

The Filipino invasion, the European invasion, and now the Asian invasion is hard to swallow for some American players from pool's golden years. Back then, the majority on the tournament player list was American players. But things change, of course, and thanks to the internet, people from around the world have connected in more ways than just pool. And the technology is continuing to evolve. This is good for pool but not good for some who want fans to root for the home team.

I used to go out with a strong one-pocket player named Geese. He was a road agent more so than a tournament player, and he made huge scores around the country because most people didn't know who he was. They had only heard the name "Geese" but had never seen him. This was before the days of internet and cell phones and Google.

Geese suffered from schizophrenia. He couldn't take losing, and when he did, everyone around him better watch out. I saw him throw an 8-ball across the room as hard as he could when he was losing in the Maryland State Tournament in Baltimore. Thank goodness the 8-ball didn't hit a person because it would have caused physical damage. He cursed out his mother and me both on the rail. Cigar Tom's wife came up to me and said if Tom ever treated her like that, she'd whip him with his pool cue. :eek:

Then there was the time that we were in Pittsburgh getting backed by a local stakehorse in a bar called Good and Plenty. Geese was losing against a local pro, and he came over to the stakehorse and cursed him out, threatening him. The stakehorse looked at me and said, "What's wrong with this guy? I'm backing him, and he's cussing me out. I'm on his team." It was embarrassing.

Then there was the time that Geese and I were on the road and getting staked and steered by a meat thief (long story). We were at a joint in Huntsville, Alabama, and I saw Geese losing big time on this bar table. I was green back then, real green, and I said, "What is wrong? I've never seen you play this poorly." Geese's opponent pulled up immediately after hearing me speak and unscrewed his cue, realizing Geese was laying down the lemon. Chaos ensued, and I ended up getting escorted to a bus station by a local sheriff. It was a 25-hour multiple-bus ride back to D.C. with only $5 in my pocket.

When Geese got his meds, he was a different person. He was joyful and fun to be around. Man, his laugh was infectious. Everybody loved hanging with Geese. Keith said one of the best times of his life was with Geese, laughing the whole day long. But when Geese didn't have his medicine, he was s different person, actually dangerous in some scenarios.

Geese self-medicated with pot. Now, personally, I don't see anything wrong with marijuana, but I don't smoke pot today, just to get it out there, even though I am Woodstock alumni. :wink:

But people like Geese with medical conditions sometimes self-medicate with pot, which alters their state of consciousness at will. If you have a medical condition and you do this, it can send your emotional scale up and down with huge spikes, much more so than someone without a medical condition. It causes outbursts and unusual behavior. Geese couldn't play pool without pot, but pot is what kept his condition on full tilt his entire life.

I had a lot of fun with Geese. We traveled the East Coast many times, and I used to think his behavior was B.S., that he was faking it, just acting like a spoiled brat, much like some accuse Earl of doing today. I was wrong. Geese was ill, and he dealt with it the best way he knew how. He was a good guy, truly, but he suffered from a medical condition.

Some say Earl should hang up his cue, that he's over the hill, his outbursts are too much, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Earl is a thoroughbred champion, like Alex Higgins, Willie Mosconi, Ronnie O'Sullivan, and Minnesota Fats. He will go down in the history books as an American pool phenom. Some folks cannot tolerate his behavior in competition when he goes off, and I get that. But I will always respect Earl Strickland. He's the greatest American pool player of my lifetime, and it's a damn shame that this stinking sport/game doesn't seem to bring the rewards that other sports/games do. But I digress. :sorry:

Very well said!!!!!

To throw a legend aside because some don't want to deal with his illness is mind boggling.

Thank you for sharing your experience with Earl.

I too have spent a lot of time between matches with Earl although, it's been at least a decade since I had the pleasure of eating lunch with him a few times.

Again, thanks a ton,

Rake
 

Eric.

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This is classic. A doorman and a guy standing there. Did either of them have orange hair? Were there any Russians in the tournament? This is the kind of information Robert Mueller needs to know about.

Geezus, lighten up a little, huh? It wasn't like we ran off half-cocked. Instead, we tried to ask around a bit more and left Norfolk with it unresolved (not that it was the most important issue). Hence, this thread.

It seemed credible enough to ask around a little because the "lowly doorman" is right at the arena entrance and pretty much see's everybody coming and going in/out.


Eric
 

Black-Balled

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Very well said!!!!!

To throw a legend aside because some don't want to deal with his illness is mind boggling.

Thank you for sharing your experience with Earl.

I too have spent a lot of time between matches with Earl although, it's been at least a decade since I had the pleasure of eating lunch with him a few times.

Again, thanks a ton,

Rake

But how many times should one get burned before eliminating the exposure?

Seriously- his public outbursts are negative reflections on the sport...
 

KRJ

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But how many times should one get burned before eliminating the exposure?

Seriously- his public outbursts are negative reflections on the sport...

Yet, lets be honest. John McEnroe is still considered one the greatest tennis players ever, still gets endorsement deals, and still gets high fives where ever he shows up. No rail birds telling us he was bad for the sport, horrible human being, blah, blah.

Bottom line, would it have been better or worse for pool had Earl never picked up a cue.

Yeah, Earl is all bark, and no bite, and folks are freaking out. Meanwhile, most of the guys that play him don't care, and they realize they have to be ready for him.. and most times they are. If Neil does not care and appreciates Earl.

Hate to break the news to you, but in the entire Pool World over the last Century, Earl is not even in the top 100 of the derelicts who ever picked up a cue. That list is YUGE.

This is pool, not the ballet, in case anyone has forgotten. Guys in baseball intentionally throw at someone's head at 100mph, and they go to the Hall of Fame, kids wear their jerseys, and get endorsement deals until the day they die. Not to mention the $100M plus they made in their careers.

But, hey look, there is a broke pool guy being mean on an internet stream that cost $20 that most pool players wouldn't buy unless the referee is naked ;)
 

Sofla

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Niels status on FB after playing Earl.

Thanks for finding this and posting it for us.

That was the information I was interested in-- what went down in that match. The rest has been the usual Earl thread we've all seen so many times.

The main offense I take is when he's interfering with his opponent's inning, either talking to him directly or to the railbirds (or to himself).
 

cardiac kid

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I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYONE THINKS!!!!

The Pearl has earned his stripes over and over again. Moreso than anyone else that's ever played......period!!!!

The Pearl has given more to pool than it will ever give back to him.

Yes, something needs to be done. Maybe meds, counseling etc... I don't know about that so I will leave that to docs and the like.

What I do know for a FACT is that pool would suffer a great loss if Earl was ever banned or quit.

Again, I don't care about his drama. I've seen a lot of HIS drama in person. His drama is never morally out of line. His drama has always been nothing more than a mix of agression, passion, desire and LOVE for what he does.

Earl has always been, BALLS TO THE WALL. The younger generations could use some of that...... only in a more diplomatic manner that's for sure.

As you can see, I'm a HUGE fan of Earl the player but even moreso a fan of the MAN....

Banning Earl would be a mistake on MANY LEVELS.

If people are really concerned, help him to get help.

Pool CANNOT AFFORD to lose a player such as Earl.

There is not a single player alive that has his heart and love for the game.

Not meaning to inject politics into this discussion but..... Doesn't Earl's behavior send a BAD message to younger players? Most of what is wrong with American politics these days is, civil discourse is impossible! I've been to enough "professional" pool tournaments to know what acceptable behavior is. Earl crosses the behavior line way too much. Continually forgiving his trespasses sends a very bad message. If proper behavior and profits are on the scale of life, please put me on the side of behavior every time. And yes, I've done my share earlier in life.
 

Black-Balled

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You've stated that before and you decide what's ok for you. I cant say I find your position wholly wrong.

McEnroe was tolerated- and not without a whole lotta haters-
coz he was a peak performer...someone highly and currently relevant.

Earl was those, but isnt, and he still takes the stage.

Therefore, he is subject to viewers' opinions of him and his actions.

But honestly, I'd be pissed too if I chose pool as a career. Especially if I had achieved what he did.

Yet, lets be honest. John McEnroe is still considered one the greatest tennis players ever, still gets endorsement deals, and still gets high fives where ever he shows up. No rail birds telling us he was bad for the sport, horrible human being, blah, blah.

Bottom line, would it have been better or worse for pool had Earl never picked up a cue.

Yeah, Earl is all bark, and no bite, and folks are freaking out. Meanwhile, most of the guys that play him don't care, and they realize they have to be ready for him.. and most times they are. If Neil does not care and appreciates Earl.

Hate to break the news to you, but in the entire Pool World over the last Century, Earl is not even in the top 100 of the derelicts who ever picked up a cue. That list is YUGE.

This is pool, not the ballet, in case anyone has forgotten. Guys in baseball intentionally throw at someone's head at 100mph, and they go to the Hall of Fame, kids wear their jerseys, and get endorsement deals until the day they die. Not to mention the $100M plus they made in their careers.

But, hey look, there is a broke pool guy being mean on an internet stream that cost $20 that most pool players wouldn't buy unless the referee is naked ;)
 

Sofla

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I might be partially responsible for this, sorry buddy.

The talk/rumor was that Earl forfeited and was asked to leave (the arena or the tournament itself?) due to how he was berating the player(s) and the referee too. I didn't actually witness it but was told this by one of the doormen (by the main entrance) and another guy standing there. From there, we tried to find out what happened. I guess this thread clears all that up.


Eric

No worries. Leave it be-- it's just Pooltown, Jake. :)

In fact, that last may be true anyway, that he was asked to leave the arena for those reasons. It's not like he would stop fussing just because he quit the match. As we discussed, when Fabio Petroni beat him shooting a low .800s to Earl's .910, he loudly said 'that guy's a joke!!!' and then about spectators 'and anyone who would root for him is a joke!!!' as he unscrewed.

The true jokes for that match were Petroni's bleached blonde highlights, and how much Earl dogged the key shots of enough games to lose to him, while out-shooting him overall.

I remembered when Earl had complimented Niels back in one Open for his preparation and discipline, as a side swipe on Danny Basovich. Earl had just been eliminated by Danny ('Kid Delicious') and was bitterly complaining that he had been beaten by the most out of shape guy in the tournament (Mike LeBron was grateful!), whereas he (Earl) ran miles a day to keep in shape, and added that Niels trained like he was in the Olympics.

But that was at least eight years ago, and much water under the bridge meantime. When Earl gets 'like that,' it may have nothing to do with the opponent anyway, and just as likely, the spectators or perhaps other voices he may hear.
 
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KRJ

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You've stated that before and you decide what's ok for you. I cant say I find your position wholly wrong.

McEnroe was tolerated- and not without a whole lotta haters-
coz he was a peak performer...someone highly and currently relevant.

Earl was those, but isnt, and he still takes the stage.

Therefore, he is subject to viewers' opinions of him and his actions.

But honestly, I'd be pissed too if I chose pool as a career. Especially if I had achieved what he did.

And it's never going to change. Bad boys in every sport imaginable. And they all get endorsement deals. Heck, a guy a can drown dogs and still get signed in the NFL?

And you're right, nobody has to like it. In fact, you are free to dislike anyone for what ever reason possible. But, the Earl bashing gets old. The amount of "scum" that have picked up a cue over the decades and the felons that still play are still out there. If we can forgive and forget their sins, surely an old dog that is all bark and no bite can't be that worrisome to pool players... pool players for crying out loud. I use to think other sports were not as tough and gruff as pool players, but appears we need safe spaces now to play pool too :)

Earl, compared to the NFL, NBA and some others sports looks like a fuggin nun :) just saying...lol
 
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pwd72s

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But, hey look, there is a broke pool guy being mean on an internet stream that cost $20 that most pool players wouldn't buy unless the referee is naked ;)

I'd say that depends entirely upon who is the referee.:rolleyes:

On Earl himself, why don't we have a trial on the internet? Oh...never mind.
 

alstl

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Geezus, lighten up a little, huh? It wasn't like we ran off half-cocked. Instead, we tried to ask around a bit more and left Norfolk with it unresolved (not that it was the most important issue). Hence, this thread.

It seemed credible enough to ask around a little because the "lowly doorman" is right at the arena entrance and pretty much see's everybody coming and going in/out.


Eric

It was an attempt at humor. To me the complaints about Earl talking are comical.

Everybody deserves a second chance and several high profile pool players have received one from the legal system. The only thing Earl has done is talk. I used to go to a pool hall in St Louis which had to move because the location was too dangerous. At the new and improved location the bartender was gunned down. Everybody in the place talked. If someone came in and wasn't talking people got worried about him.

Earl's biggest problem is he has too much pool player in him. He dropped out of school to go on the road hustling pool in bars and pool halls. I doubt he has ever been in a library. Maybe that's the cure. Somebody get Earl a library card.
 

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I do not know how valid a statement about Earl is that I read several years back. I believe.
I was reading some history about Earl and his earlier days. It was mentioned that he had a problem with being Bi-Polar. I assume that it was kept low key if accurate.
Because of this, When he acts up, I always give him a little slack. I have never heard or seen any other information to confirm or disprove the bi-polar. Until i learn the facts, one way or the other, I will give him a little slack.
I am just putting out my thoughts and not making any statements.
 

gesan

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Earl

I agree with RJ to some degree.

I remember when Ali was Clay. He was a considered by most to be a pain in he a$$!

When he refused induction to the armed forces , many thought he should be banned forever from boxing.

Without him the sport was dying.

Iron Mike bit people's ears off, threatened to stomp babies, was convicted of rape. While he was on top, the sport was thriving!

Currently you can find something called corn holeing on tv. Bowling ,fishing, volley ball, poker, fish bowling, probably corn holers playing horse shoes.

Pool sucks hind breast to them all relative to tv.

Ali is considered a great man now, Tyson is treated like American royalty. Earl is probably the best known pool player by the average (non pool player) American.

The player most likely 2nd in that regard is either Minnesota fats ( a paragon of virtue) or Mosconi unless you include Jackie Gleason or Paul Newman.

Like him or hate him, damn few are indifferent to him.

If there were more like him ( by that I mean) attracting attention. Maybe pool would be on tv.

The mosconi cup I would guess is watched by non players because of the antics (like it or not) of the euro wackos and if Earl was added to the mix more would tune in id bet!

Wake up ! Pool is not golf, never will be. In the 60's a big part of the game was trash talking. Some players could have been stand up comics. If you couldn't play under those conditions you were "choking" . If a gambler knew talking would get to a player he was in for a tough time! From a sweater or a spectators point of view it was entertaining.

For many years I could show up at the us open 9 ball championship and w/o any reservations, and for cheap $ sit "ringside" at any table but 1.

Guess what player was at that table? Sometimes I was embarrassed for him, at times he pissed me off with his antics, sometimes he dazzled me, the one thing he never did was bore me (or anyone else for that matter).

Connor mcgreager, Floyd may weather, Terrel Owens, Bill Romanowski, Jose cansaco, and many more in damn near every sport. You can like them, hate them, but you can't ignore them.

Any pub is better then none!

Pool needs more like him!

The day will come when he will be respected (as he should be) and considered an icon.

Every form of entertainment/ society, sports, what ever category you want to name it, treats certain people with a different set of rules. If there is anyone in pool that belongs in that group, it is Earl.
My 2cents FWIW
 
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