Why is 9 ball so popular?

ShootingArts

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magic in the air

Yes, I read Matlock ran a 28-pack at bar box eight ball. Along with Buddy Hall, Keith Macready and Danny Medina, he was as good as anyone in his day on the bar box.

I've also read that Luther Lassiter ran a 21-pack on a nine footer at nine ball, but I have not had this corroborated. On the other hand, Niels Feijen's 15-pack at nine ball on a nine footer in, I believe, 2003, is well documented.



We have all had those days or nights with magic in the air. Ratty nine footer with bucket pockets I won something over 120 games of eight ball in a row playing challengers. No scratches, no eight balls on the break, no accidentally pocketing the eight ball.

When a world class player like we are talking about has a day or night when magic is in the air they do the impossible. World class to begin with and a time when the eyes are a little sharper, the mind is a little sharper, the nerves and muscles are working perfectly, we are fortunate if we are just able to witness those times. I do envy you all of the great matches you have seen from great seating!

A funny story. I took a guy on the road because I saw him dead cold after working on diesels all day run out a rack of eight ball on a bar table after the other pair broke dry, then he broke and ran seven racks. I shot twice in the next 45 minutes or so and had thirteen beers in front of me when the other two guys quit, we were only playing for a beer each!

As we walked to my truck I told Bobby we were crazy doing brutally hard work dirt cheap, lets take a little ride. The funny part of the story that I have told a handful of times on here, Bobby never strung more than a few racks of any kind together after that and it turned out that I was the one that did all of the heavy lifting! I knew I was the brains that had to get us in reasonable action but I thought I would be slightly the weaker partner when it came to doing the lifting. Must have just been a magic afternoon for Bobby. We were both really thirsty and the beer was ice cold, maybe that was the incentive he needed.

I didn't grudge sharing with Bobby though. A partner on the road is always more comfortable than being alone. With a friend behind my back it was easier to bend over and let my stroke out with unhappy people around me. Too vulnerable down on a shot.

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Cadillac J

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10 ball is where it's at!

I agree, this is all I play at home by myself. But the 10-ball HAS to be made last...if combo'd early, has to be spotted.

If my ass can do it, the pros certainly should...but it seems they don't have to in many vids I've watched.
 

Bob Jewett

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True to an extent. To add. the top prize at the Crucible is 500,000 £ and likely as much in endorsements, etc. Thus a million £ is at stake. It’s also a significant chunk of ranking points to keep in The top 16 and top 32 . This also translates into future guaranteed earnings.

A 147 is worth 40,000£ at the upcoming tournament in the next few weeks. Players will be playing to win and not playing for a 147 prize. A 147 is A fortunate break (excuse the pun) depending how the table develops. If you watch Crucible matches, there is a lot more Action on the blue ball in the middle of the table...potting the blue then cracking the red cluster with the white. Trying to get o break of 50 plus and then a safety if the right strategy.
It turns out that Higgins' 147 just completed will be 55,000£ or $72k if it holds up. The reds happened to sit fairly well for the maximum, but there was a point before he had not yet secured the frame where he could have considered playing safe. Instead he took a tough shot to the middle pocket. There was a lot of pressure considering the score at the time.
 

Geosnooker

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It turns out that Higgins' 147 just completed will be 55,000£ or $72k if it holds up. The reds happened to sit fairly well for the maximum, but there was a point before he had not yet secured the frame where he could have considered playing safe. Instead he took a tough shot to the middle pocket. There was a lot of pressure considering the score at the time.

Great to see this. If you were to ask me who would be the least likely top 16 to make a 147...I’d have picked Higgins. He survives and makes it to the finals by being a master at assessing risk...nothing flashy but as Hendtry and OSullivan point out, the top table strategist ever.
 

Bavafongoul

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Imo.........

As already mentioned, it is the fastest game, luck or slop is a big factor because as long as any ball drops,
you keep shooting, combo shots on the 9 can end the game quick and early. It is far easier to map out a
table runout than having to navigate around your opponent’s OBs that can be used to hide the 8 ball. All in
all, it is a gambler’s game and easier to follow on tv broadcast since every shot starts as a sequential shot.
You always have to shoot at the lowest number ball on the table when it is your turn......no choice or any
substitutions allowed......so the game is easier to follow and the runout dexterity is more entertaining too.
 

ShootingArts

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not shabby at all!

How was Matlock on 9 footers? Was he strictly a bar table specialist?


I see this never got answered. He is stout on nine footers too. He is such a monster on a bar table that people often ignore he isn't much behind his barbox game on a nine footer. Few if any came gunning for him on a barbox. He could get played on a nine footer. The people playing him didn't have to like it.

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sjm

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I see this never got answered. He is stout on nine footers too. He is such a monster on a bar table that people often ignore he isn't much behind his barbox game on a nine footer. Few if any came gunning for him on a barbox. He could get played on a nine footer. The people playing him didn't have to like it.

Hu

I'd say that in his day he was a top 20 player on the big tables but probably not a top 10. On the barbox in the 1980s, only Buddy H, Keith M, and Danny Medina could keep up with him, and in the eyes of many, Matlock was the best of them all.
 

u12armresl

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Medina?
Wouldn't put him in the group with Buddy and Keith on the bar table.

There were also people from KY, IN, OH, TN who were really really good BB players and just didn't get out and about like Dave did.

I'd say that in his day he was a top 20 player on the big tables but probably not a top 10. On the barbox in the 1980s, only Buddy H, Keith M, and Danny Medina could keep up with him, and in the eyes of many, Matlock was the best of them all.
 

Luxury

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There is too much thinking to do after the break in 8 ball. The pros spend a lot more time staring at the table in 8 ball than they do in 9 ball and that is not good TV
 

Geosnooker

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There is too much thinking to do after the break in 8 ball. The pros spend a lot more time staring at the table in 8 ball than they do in 9 ball and that is not good TV


Then odd how the snooker championship this week has a tv audience of over 100 million. That will increase if Ding defeats OSullivsn and advances.

The top viewed sports in the world in order. Some aren’t exactly Action packed.

Football ( European)
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garczar

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I'd say that in his day he was a top 20 player on the big tables but probably not a top 10. On the barbox in the 1980s, only Buddy H, Keith M, and Danny Medina could keep up with him, and in the eyes of many, Matlock was the best of them all.
Don't think Medina would play David even on a bar-box. If they broke out that big cueball they all were pedallin' uphill playing Dave. Thing about Dave was that if his break got hot he was going to put 6's-7's-8's on you a LOT. I once saw him hit a kid with a smooth little 13pack in Olathe. Look on that cat's face was priceless.
 

mikemosconi

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Playing pro level 8 ball or 14.1 requires much more knowledge and execution of proper pattern play and cue ball position than 9 ball. Many so called A level 9 ball players are very good shotmakers, but it amazes me to watch so many of them with poor knowledge of correct cue ball position - failing to getting closer to object balls and not playing object balls in the correct pockets to get optimum position for their next shot.
 

Luxury

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Eight ball has too many stop shots. 9 Ball Has Way more cool positional shots with spin.


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justnum

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I know one person that might be known for 9 ball.

Its an older pic but I think its Number One WPBA touring pro.

I think the guy with the forehead behind her is important.



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