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12-18-2008, 10:45 AM

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Bill (Tex) (Calhoun) Kelleher is still around, by the way.
Don't know if he wants to be found, but someone in the Carolinas might get some stories from him.

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My God, this old hustler has been around forever. He used to play some pretty sporty One Pocket. He's kind of a discount version of Cornbread Red.
He used to run with a guy they called "Chicken". Wonder if he is still around too. Calhoun has to be well into his 70's.
  
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12-18-2008, 12:28 PM

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My God, this old hustler has been around forever. He used to play some pretty sporty One Pocket. He's kind of a discount version of Cornbread Red.
He used to run with a guy they called "Chicken". Wonder if he is still around too. Calhoun has to be well into his 70's.
Is this Bill Calhoun a former running mate of Sam Trivett (Seattle Sam?).
  
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12-29-2008, 11:49 AM

Anymore stories? Anyone. I don't want this thread to die.. It's been cool hearing what we have so far but I feel like we have barely skimmed the surface.
  
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12-29-2008, 12:10 PM

The raid at the Rack
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The joint got raided one night. I missed that one. They collected an incredible amount of cash, which was eventually returned. One broken down looking old man had 100k cash on him. The police couldnt believe someone that looked that shabby could have that kind of cheese in his pocket. It turned out he owned the building that the police station was in.

That's the same night that CornBread told Bugs in the lockup, "Let's see you bank your way out of this trap, Bugs!"

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12-29-2008, 12:41 PM

Speaking of Cornbread...a guy walked into the rack and said he wanted to play Cornbread for $1000/game 9-ball, but Red wasn't there. Someone got Red on the phone and told him what he wanted to do, Red asked how much he had in his pocket, the guy replied $10,000, Cornbread said "Tell him I'll play him some $10,000 a game". The player left.

Of course you have to really stretch out the Thooouuuuusaaaand, with a little hint of a whistle to get the real flavor.

I guess Cornbread felt it wasn't worth getting dreesed and out of the house for only $1000/game .
  
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12-29-2008, 04:19 PM

So what happened to the money won?

Let me be specific. It seems from the stories told over the years on AZ, in Freddies book, and in this thread, that there was a small group of ultra rich suckers that came to The Rack. The group included bona-fide business multi-millionaires, pimps and drug dealers with steady streams of disposable cash, bookies, etc.

Now to take this huge stream of "sucker money" there was a bunch of pro level players, that were also the best hustlers in the world.

Obviously from all the stories we heard the pro level players got all the cash from the "suckers". But what did they do with it? Did any of these players that won hundreds of thousands off the rich suckers make anything of that money? It just doesn't add up that most of these older generation players today are just getting by.

I love these stories from the past, I'm not knocking anyone. I just want to know did the players get to keep the cash, or did they somehow blow it all?
  
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12-29-2008, 04:26 PM

how many pool players do you know that are good money managers? i'm not talking about guys that play pool but pool players. the nature of the lifestyle makes it very difficult. on a side note.....the suckers didn't ALWAYS lose either.
  
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The Rack in Detroit - 12-29-2008, 04:44 PM

> One story Grady told me himself goes like this. The guy that went by Jew Paul had been losing a pound of 100's a week for quite a while. Grady had beaten him out of a Wal-Mart bag full,and Paul offered to bet Grady 10k or so that he never hit another ball. Paul came in that night,paid Grady off,and said let's play. He lost 2 Wal-Mart bags that night. Tommy D.


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12-29-2008, 05:11 PM

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how many pool players do you know that are good money managers? i'm not talking about guys that play pool but pool players. the nature of the lifestyle makes it very difficult. on a side note.....the suckers didn't ALWAYS lose either.

This is very true. Almost all, (I didnt say all) and I do mean almost all die broke.

I can count a few HOF players, yes Hall of Fame pool players that are flat broke.

I took some pool lessons from Ray Martin at his house, it was nice but very modest. We discussed this topic while I was there, and he considered himself very fortunate.

But then again, most people die with very little wealth really. I have found that the money isnt the same with pool players. Its the action more than the money.

So who is the real suckers? The millionaire that looses $100K and never misses it, or the broke pool player who wins it and loses it at the tables or the track?

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12-29-2008, 06:45 PM

Very true! Most of the old time hustlers (and probably the newer hustlers too) had no concept of "SAVING" money. They make a score on the pool table, and lose it the next day bettin' on baseball, dice, or horses. Jack White told me a story about him and Earl Schriver (another well known con man/pool hustler). The two of them got together and beat some Greek restaurant owner out about $60K. They split the money, and were to meet up a few days later somewhere else. Earl had to borrow $$$ from Jack to make his car payment! He had lost the whole $30K betting the window the very next day, after winning it! True story...

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But then again, most people die with very little wealth really. I have found that the money isnt the same with pool players. Its the action more than the money.

So who is the real suckers? The millionaire that looses $100K and never misses it, or the broke pool player who wins it and loses it at the tables or the track?

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12-29-2008, 07:29 PM

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Very true! Most of the old time hustlers (and probably the newer hustlers too) had no concept of "SAVING" money. They make a score on the pool table, and lose it the next day bettin' on baseball, dice, or horses. Jack White told me a story about him and Earl Schriver (another well known con man/pool hustler). The two of them got together and beat some Greek restaurant owner out about $60K. They split the money, and were to meet up a few days later somewhere else. Earl had to borrow $$$ from Jack to make his car payment! He had lost the whole $30K betting the window the very next day, after winning it! True story...

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The same thing that lets these people win $60,000 makes them lose it. Some people would have to win 12,000 games to be $60,000 winner. These are the same people who say "can you believe he was that much winner and lost it all." They could have never got that much winner.
  
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12-29-2008, 08:32 PM

I heard one a few years back about the time Paul threw 10K into the large blowing window fan at the Rack just to watch the ensuing mad scramble.
Anyone have anything to add to the tale?

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12-29-2008, 10:01 PM

I heard stories of Rosie and Jew Paul Brusslof. Where did Rosie get his money and is he still alive and gambling? I heard some players held onto some off the winnings, like Champagne Ed Kelly. Most of the stories I heard were that the top champions did not get much of it except Cornbread because it was mainly Whales playing other whales. I heard about a drug dealer/pimp who played high (10k+ a game 1pkt) his brother was kidnapped and after paying the ransom they found the four of the five kidnappers murdered and there was a standing offer for 500k for information about the one that got away
  
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12-29-2008, 10:08 PM

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how many pool players do you know that are good money managers? i'm not talking about guys that play pool but pool players. the nature of the lifestyle makes it very difficult. on a side note.....the suckers didn't ALWAYS lose either.

Heck the majority of people who win the lottery are dead broke in a couple years


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12-29-2008, 10:17 PM

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