World famous draw stick ready for close investigation

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deanoc

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Several years ago Keith josey made me a sneaky pete with
a cue ball ferrule

This cue could draw the ball so crazy it was called the draw cue

I could hit a soft shot about half ball cut and the cue ball would masse draw
back at me

Jack potter and jerry franklin,south west cue jerry

they all were amazed

i donated the cue yo denny glenn,he is returning it so Larry vigus can closely examine it to see why

I could hit inside english,cut a ball close to the side pocket and go forward 3 rails to the corner far away

I never saw anything like it,magic


Jack ordered another from Josey but it was nice but not magic like mine


30 years later we are going to see if Larry Vigus or jake can figure out why

I am reporting the truth,some of you might want to speculate
 
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DecentShot

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
deanoc said:
Several years ago Keith josey made me a sneaky pete with
a cue ball ferrule

This cue could draw the ball so crazy it was called the draw cue

I could hit a soft shot about half ball cut and the cue ball would masse draw
back at me

Jack potter and jerry franklin,south west cue jerry

they all were amazed

i donated the cue yo denny glenn,he is returning it so Larry vigus can closely examine it to see why

I could hit inside english,cut a ball close to the side pocket and go forward 3 rails to the corner far away

I never saw anything like it,magic


Jack ordered another from Josey but it was nice but not magic like mine


30 years later we are going to see if Larry Vigus or jake can figure out why

I am reporting the truth,some of you might want to speculate
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If you don't finish your prescription this month, can I have the leftovers?
 
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deanoc

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
i am glad you find this unbelievable

I was playing with Jerry franklin,I hit a cut shot fairly easy
it looked like a soft masse' shot in reverse

Jerry handed me his tulip wood south west and played
the rest of our day about 2 hours with my Josey

Jerry had a huge grin on his face,it was unreal

It was not meant to be anything but a sneaky pete

Jack potter ,of Libra cue fame can make the same report

Dennis Glenn was so impressed he asked for me to put it
in his collection,which I did until next week and I am borrowing it

if this cue still does it,honestly some of you guys would need to come to dallas to see it

I could draw better than Mike Massey,and i have no stroke

i know you guys think i am crazy
 
Sealegs50

Sealegs50

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I think it is a great idea. I don't know if they will discover anything useful. But I am interested to hear what they learn.
 
iusedtoberich

iusedtoberich

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
When you get it back, if it still draws the way you remember, please have Vigus video it for us before taking anything apart.
 
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RiverCity

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
iusedtoberich said:
When you get it back, if it still draws the way you remember, please have Vigus video it for us before taking anything apart.
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If you have any of the following videos, we would be interested in those as well.

Big Foot
Loch Ness
Abominable Snowman
Jersey Devil
UFOs
Gremlins
Santa (or his reindeer)
Tooth Fairy
The Great Pumpkin
Easter Bunny

or

Runs of 600+ balls.

:duck:
 
jasonlaus

jasonlaus

Rep for Smorg
Silver Member
Swear to god this is why I love this forum.

I need to have a drink with Dean before it's too late. I missed Smorg, Tramp, and a few others(hopefully Tramp is still around) There are a lot of other AZ peeps I'd like to meet, probably too numerous to mention. There's probably a few I disagree with regularly that I'd still like to drink and hit balls with. Actually, thinking about it, all of you.
 
u12armresl

u12armresl

One Pocket back cutter
Silver Member
Million Dollar Tournament last racks

RiverCity said:
If you have any of the following videos, we would be interested in those as well.

Big Foot
Loch Ness
Abominable Snowman
Jersey Devil
UFOs
Gremlins
Santa (or his reindeer)
Tooth Fairy
The Great Pumpkin
Easter Bunny

or

Runs of 600+ balls.

:duck:
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RiverCity

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
u12armresl said:
Million Dollar Tournament last racks
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I have a photo of that, matted and framed even......

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Just to note, I dont hate CJ. I told my wife he was an arrogant SOB, she took that to mean dislike. :thumbup:
 
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deanoc

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
larry is not going to take it apart

he is going to examine it to see if he can understand why it works
the way it does

it is a standard sneaky pete made from house cue a shaft with a ferrule made
from a cue ball

unlike you guys he actuall y believe what i told him about the cue

i haven't seen the cue in 20 or 30 years,it was simply a cue
Josey made for me,he had no intention of making a trick ciue
when I told him about it,he had no idea why.

When both Jack and I ordered another one,neither cue was
anything like this one.

I can not remember who else hit
the cue,but many did and all were amazed at it's performance

I have never seen anything like it,I hope it still works after all
these years,Dennis told me that the butt had a serious crack develop
a few years back,but that he and his brother Steve hit a few balls
and it still produced unreal draw shots

When people used to see it,they real really were amazed,

I have the idea that it must be the shaft or ferrule,but we never tried it on another butt

At any rate I have posted several times over the years about this phenomenal cue and
I am dead serious about it and our desire to take a second look
 
ipoppa33

ipoppa33

Shakedown Custom Rods
Silver Member
Pictures/Video

I believe you Dean! If the cue still works please have someone video it then post it please. Let us know if using it on a different butt produces the same results. Have fun. Thanks.
 
jackpot

jackpot

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
the draw cue is for real

This cue did draw the ball more than any cue I have ever seen. When Dean
brought it to the pool room, he said draw the ball with this cue it is unreal.
It was, Bob Vanover hit a few balls and was amazed. Dick Lane the great
straight pool player, who could never draw his ball two feet got the same result.
I took it back to a 9 foot Gold Crown and played with it for a little while. It spun
the ball so much it was hard for me to play with. It had a VERY whippy shaft,
about 12 1/2 as I remember. Like Dean said I called Josey and had him make
me one, but it was just a regular sneaky. It does not just draw better than any
other cue, it is much more than that. I know it sounds crazy but it is true, but
I also realize that some on here would not believe it no matter what, so Dean
would be wasting his time trying to convince them.
jack
 
Patrick Johnson

Patrick Johnson

Fish of the Day
Silver Member
There's no way to hit the CB on the same spot and increase spin without increasing speed in the same proportion, so it's not possible for one cue to spin the ball more than another (i.e., to get more spin-to-speed, which is what's needed for more spin effect).

But it is possible for a cue to deliver a little more force to the CB with the same stroke speed - and a phenolic resin ferrule might have enough density/stiffness compared with others to do that, and that matters when the CB hits the OB pretty full.

When the Cb hits the OB pretty full, it loses most/all of its speed but it doesn't lose much spin, so adding RPMs by hitting harder makes the spin effect greater - and this is most obvious with follow/draw shots where the OB is hit very full.

Once wishful thinking is eliminated that would be my guess for an explanation.

Unfortunately, the same ferrule qualities probably increase squirt a lot.

pj
chgo
 
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j2pac

j2pac

Marital Slow Learner.
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Patrick Johnson said:
There's no way to hit the CB on the same spot and increase spin without increasing speed in the same proportion, so it's not possible for one cue to spin the ball more than another (i.e., to get more spin-to-speed, which is what's needed for more spin effect).

But it is possible for a cue to deliver a little more force to the CB with the same stroke speed - and a phenolic resin ferrule might have enough density/stiffness compared with others to do that, and that matters when the CB hits the OB pretty full.

When the Cb hits the OB pretty full, it loses most/all of its speed but it doesn't lose much spin, so adding RPMs by hitting harder makes the spin effect greater - and this is most obvious with follow/draw shots where the OB is hit very full.

Once wishful thinking is eliminated that would be my guess for an explanation.

Unfortunately, the same ferrule qualities probably increase squirt a lot.

pj
chgo
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In some sense you could conceivably tie "squirt" and spin together. I am not a rocket scientist but...The heavier ferrule would impart more "inertia/force/spin" to the cue ball on a pure strike, all things being equal. That being said, I would agree with you that line/control could be compromised a bit, if the intended spot on the cue ball is not precisely struck.
 
Patrick Johnson

Patrick Johnson

Fish of the Day
Silver Member
j2pac said:
The heavier ferrule would impart more "inertia/force/spin" to the cue ball
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Maybe a little more force, speed and RPMs, but not more "spin" (more spin-to-speed) - except after the CB hits the OB pretty full, as I described above.

And the same effect can be produced with any stick/ferrule simply by hitting a little harder.

pj
chgo

P.S. Another effect of more squirt could be a more "level" hit on the CB with draw - because the extra squirt "redirects" the cue's force from slightly downward to more level. This could have an effect on how much draw spin is rubbed off on the way to the OB - and it couldn't be produced just by hitting harder.
 
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