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12-14-2017, 06:25 AM

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It's most interesting to see how if this is done properly, the shooter will end up right back at the 15-30-45 degree angles that Shuffett teaches in his CTE from Houle. Just a different way to wind up in the same positions.
To me, this absolutely PROVES that the 0-15-30-45 make every shot on the table, just as Shuffett says.
It further completely debunks the misguided Mosconi ideas of fraction this and fraction that...on and on with a 'dozen fractions'. (which he never used anyway)....his editor just wrote it in his books as filler to pacify the gullible masses.
That guy Hal Houle must've been one sharp cookie.....even though his discoveries are trashed as 'snake oil' and other such bull.
Of course as always, pioneers are usually ridiculed. Some people still believe the world is flat....or that "nothing will ever replace the flathead engine or the 45RPM record player or the payphone booth or this or that or this or that".
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? Spidey, please explain to Mr. Lowenstein that using this pivot technique does not bring the shooter right back to CTE's 0-15-30-45.

And, once again as usual, Low500, you are doing an excellent job of trolling, drudging up the past, fanning the flames. Keep up the destructive, I mean "constructive", comments. Wouldn't want anyone to move on beyond the vintage flame wars....


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12-14-2017, 06:41 AM

I have to give Brian some props here. Dirty Mike said the most difficult thing is recognizing if shot is 3/4 , 1/2 ball. Well poolology tells you what it is
  
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12-14-2017, 07:18 AM

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I have to give Brian some props here. Dirty Mike said the most difficult thing is recognizing if shot is 3/4 , 1/2 ball. Well poolology tells you what it is
It isn't difficult once practiced and learned. They become pretty obvious. Poolology has it's downside and pitfalls which I would rather not get into or attack as has been done with CTE for 20 years.

It is what it is and you have to be the one and only one to decide which system is best for YOU.
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12-14-2017, 07:23 AM

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? Spidey, please explain to Mr. Lowenstein that using this pivot technique does not bring the shooter right back to CTE's 0-15-30-45.

On this pivot technique, sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't. It brings them back to one of the three lines in Hal Houle's 3 Line aiming on the OB with the tip of the cue (most of the time but there can be exceptions) This IS different from CTE as Stan now teaches it but somewhat similar to Hal's Shiskebob except for the starting point and pivot to outside vs. inside pivoting back to center. This is a STICK and CCB aiming system to the lines vs. CB edge to those divisions. Big difference but still similar in certain ways.

And, once again as usual, Low500, you are doing an excellent job of trolling, drudging up the past, fanning the flames. Keep up the destructive, I mean "constructive", comments. Wouldn't want anyone to move on beyond the vintage flame wars....
This part of your post is unnecessary and not wanted in this particular thread of mine. I'd appreciate it if you don't go in this direction again. If the need overcomes you, don't post at all.

Is it possible to have ONE friggin' thread without s*it breaking out? I guess not.

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12-14-2017, 07:45 AM

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I guess I don't know as much about CTE as I thought I did.
I didn't realize that sometimes this pivot thing you're teaching One Pocket John about is a "sometimes it does it does and sometimes it doesn't lead right into the proven 15-30-45 angles".

Pete, this isn't CTE but has the same divisions on the OB. So you are correct. When it doesn't happen with THIS is when a pivot with the tip of the cue to 1/4 ball overcuts a shallow angle which is when you have to learn how to recognize too much cut to alter it slightly to end up between CCB and 1/4 ball.

That's what I get for tinkering around with something that isn't broken.
I just wanted to emphasize to some of the open minded around here that Houle was dead on the money with his diagnosis for this aiming thing and that old 'fraction thing' of Mosconi's has long been dead in the water.

Hal Houle definitely made life easier for the aiming process of pocketing balls. So much easier it's mind numbing. AND ACCURATE.

Think I will just stick to the old reliable CTE that I learned and watch the balls go in the holes. (messing around with other stuff can lead to trouble at the table...trouble I don't need).
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You tube downloader - 12-14-2017, 08:10 AM

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Does anybody know a good , trustworthy you tube downloader app. I'd like to save a few from you tube , but everyone I go to, says its got other stuff in it.
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This part of your post is unnecessary and not wanted in this particular thread of mine. I'd appreciate it if you don't go in this direction again. If the need overcomes you, don't post at all.

Is it possible to have ONE friggin' thread without s*it breaking out? I guess not.
Sorry for my knee jerk reaction to Low bringing up past flame wars. I felt like his "snake oil" comment and erroneous Mosconi comment were obvious troll attempts hat needed to be pointed out.

I don't like BS any more than you do, and Low sure spread it out there like bait. I won't bite again Dave. I like what you're doing here with this split the difference thing. I think it's a good way to help players realize the benefits of spinning balls in when needed also.


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Sorry for my knee jerk reaction to Low bringing up past flame wars. I felt like his "snake oil" comment and erroneous Mosconi comment were obvious troll attempts hat needed to be pointed out.

I don't like BS any more than you do, and Low sure spread it out there like bait. I won't bite again Dave.

Pete is a super good guy. Treat him and what he's chosen to use as an aiming system (CTE) and Stan who he feels is a great teacher that's elevated his game after over 7 decades on Earth with respect and I'm sure he'll reciprocate.

I like what you're doing here with this split the difference thing. I think it's a good way to help players realize the benefits of spinning balls in when needed also.
Split the Difference or Shiskebob was the exact same thing I was going to teach you when we were setting it up by PM until the sh*t hit the fan with Stan getting so p*ssed that he left.

I didn't even know about Split the Difference, this video, or guy doing it. But I do know Hal's version of Shiskebob as well as anyone and have worked with it for a long time.

When someone sent this video to me, I thought it would be a great idea to post it because it was coming from someone else other than Stan or Me and be more palatable and accepting by the normal negative crowd.

It does verify the simplicity and accuracy of the 3 Line Aiming System of Hal.

I once read where Mike Sigel said he likes to use "outside" to throw balls in. Using outside with Shiskebob definitely does it which combines aim and spin simultaneously.

And then you have CJ Wiley who likes using TOI, touch of "inside" on most of his shots. Just goes to show there are a lot of different ways to play this game and play it great.
  
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Split the Difference or Shiskebob was the exact same thing I was going to teach you when we were setting it up by PM until the sh*t hit the fan with Stan getting so p*ssed that he left.

I didn't even know about Split the Difference, this video, or guy doing it. But I do know Hal's version of Shiskebob as well as anyone and have worked with it for a long time.

When someone sent this video to me, I thought it would be a great idea to post it because it was coming from someone else other than Stan or Me and be more palatable and accepting by the normal negative crowd.

It does verify the simplicity and accuracy of the 3 Line Aiming System of Hal.

I once read where Mike Sigel said he likes to use "outside" to throw balls in. Using outside with Shiskebob definitely does it which combines aim and spin simultaneously.

And then you have CJ Wiley who likes using TOI, touch of "inside" on most of his shots. Just goes to show there are a lot of different ways to play this game and play it great.
I remember. . I think a few people were upset that you quit the public Shishkabob lesson. I understand you probably continued one on one via PM of email, so that's cool. I just got an email from a great guy that said he's doing better using a combination of sweeps with Shishkabob. To each his own.

As far as PL being a good guy and deserving of my respect....Well, respect is a 2-way street, and with his continued baiting/trolling and belittling attitude toward me, I honestly don't see any good will there.

Anyway, proceed on back to topic.


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