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06-18-2019, 10:46 AM

Good thread that underscores the quality of both Taiwan and the Philippines, and of Asian pool in general.

Yes, Josh Filler was the biggest story at the US Open in April. To me, though, nearly as big a story was that Asia captured six of the eight spots in the quarterfinals and three of the four spots in the semifinals.

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06-18-2019, 01:15 PM

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Just to add - The Phillipines has a population of about 104mm. Taiwan has a population around 23mm.


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Yes, and this is entirely under appreciated.

Taiwan is head and shoulders over anywhere else for pool talent.

It is about the size of Vermont and has about the population of Florida and yet it has 8 of the top 30 pool players on the planet and has 10 women rated over 700


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Yes, and this is entirely under appreciated.

Taiwan is head and shoulders over anywhere else for pool talent.

It is about the size of Vermont and has about the population of Florida and yet it has 8 of the top 30 pool players on the planet and has 10 women rated over 700
For sure. Statistically speaking, Taiwan is several standard deviations above the PI in Pool talent outliers. I figured you, if anyone, would appreciate that.


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06-19-2019, 01:28 PM

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If we take a look at the list of the top 10 in Taiwan, do they have recognized accomplishments in 14.1, caroms, and Chinese 8-ball?
What would you count as recognized accomplishments? 14.1 doesn't have any international events and 235 carom is a Taiwan-centric game (like one pocket is a US-centric game).
  
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What would you count as recognized accomplishments? 14.1 doesn't have any international events and 235 carom is a Taiwan-centric game (like one pocket is a US-centric game).

Maybe I misunderstand what you're asking. I would consider deep runs in a 14.1 pro event as an accomplishment. Maybe someone has done a long run attempt. Are there any 200 ball runners? You said they play 14.1, so there must be tournaments of some kind? No? I don't recall Taiwan players doing well at the George Fels Challenge or at the Predator World 14.1. Maybe none have played.

Someone else mentioned Chinese 8-ball, so I was wondering if either Taiwan or the PI have any deep runs in those events.

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Maybe I misunderstand what you're asking. I would consider deep runs in a 14.1 pro event as an accomplishment. Maybe someone has done a long run attempt. Are there any 200 ball runners? You said they play 14.1, so there must be tournaments of some kind? No? I don't recall Taiwan players doing well at the George Fels Challenge or at the Predator World 14.1. Maybe none have played.

Someone else mentioned Chinese 8-ball, so I was wondering if either Taiwan or the PI have any deep runs in those events.

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Chang Yu-Lung (9th/16th) and and Hsu Kai-Lun (17th/24th) finished in the money in the American Straight Pool Championship in 2017.
  
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06-20-2019, 09:33 AM

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Maybe I misunderstand what you're asking. I would consider deep runs in a 14.1 pro event as an accomplishment. Maybe someone has done a long run attempt. Are there any 200 ball runners? You said they play 14.1, so there must be tournaments of some kind? No? I don't recall Taiwan players doing well at the George Fels Challenge or at the Predator World 14.1. Maybe none have played.

Someone else mentioned Chinese 8-ball, so I was wondering if either Taiwan or the PI have any deep runs in those events.

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There is at least one 500 ball runner in taiwan and he placed 2nd in either a world 14.1 or 14.1 US open (first and only time he showed up), but he only plays 14.1. The mainstream Taiwanese don't come out to events in the US very often, but I am sure they have their own tournaments as does Japan.

Chinese 8 ball is honestly geared more towards snooker players. I don't think any american-style pool players will win an event and if they do it will be a fluke.
  
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There is at least one 500 ball runner in taiwan and he placed 2nd in either a world 14.1 or 14.1 US open (first and only time he showed up), but he only plays 14.1. The mainstream Taiwanese don't come out to events in the US very often, but I am sure they have their own tournaments as does Japan.
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Chin Min-Wai -- 2nd to Souquet in the 2000 U.S. Open Straight Pool Championship.

Can you tell us more about the run of 500+ -- when, where, table details, spectators, etc.? I have seen it listed on one website, but I know nothing about it.

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Chin Min-Wai -- 2nd to Souquet in the 2000 U.S. Open Straight Pool Championship.

Can you tell us more about the run of 500+ -- when, where, table details, spectators, etc.? I have seen it listed on one website, but I know nothing about it.
You probably know as much about it as me, but I do remember commentary on one of the 14.1 US open matches he was in mentioning it.
  
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06-20-2019, 01:14 PM

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Here's how the hypothetical 10 v 10 would look according to Fargo:

Team Philippines
1. Dennis Orcollo 815
2. Carlo Biado 811
3. Lee Van Corteza 809
4. James Aranas 803
5. Jeffrey Ignacio 798
6. Jeffrey De Luna 796
7. Roland Garcia 796
8. Johann Chua 794
9. Anton Raga 794
10. Jerico Banares 793

Avg Fargo = 801.4

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Team Taiwan
1. Chang Jun Lin 817
2. Ko Pin Yi 815
3. Chang Yu Lung 807
4. Hsu Kai Lun 805
5. Ko Ping Chung 804
6. Cheng Yu Hsuan ("Kevin") 802
7. Fu Che Wei 796
8. Wu Kun Lin 796
9. Lo Li Wen 791
10. Yang Ching Shun 781

Avg Fargo = 800.9

So, essentially a dead heat through ten. Taiwan may have a slightly higher top end, but my hunch is that if I continued this exercise through a top 20, the Philippines would have a much stronger back end. To wit, Warren Kiamco, Jundel Mazon, Francisco Bustamante, and Roberto Gomez occupy Team PHI numbers 11-14, and each enjoys a higher Fargo than number ten on Team TWN, the legend Yang Ching Shun. I suspect this trend would continue as you moved deeper into each nation's pool ranks.

I believe there was a "King's Cup" or similar hosted between the two a few years ago. I seem to remember Efren and Busty and a couple young guns on Team PHI against the Ko's and others on Team TWN. I believe Team PHI won, but my memory of all the details of this tourney are shaky at the moment. In any case, I would love to see that tournament continued and formalized Mosconi cup style.
This list should drop off Yang Chin Shun and add Wu Jiaqing.

Wu is born and raised in Taiwan. He came up, in Pool, there. It was only as an adult that he moved to mainland China.


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