June 25, 2019

Dan White

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
So, now the ones that had good discussion with them, can not do so any more because of someone’s subjectivity.

It's not just about subjectivity. Sometimes its a matter of violating the terms of service.
 

duckie

GregH
Silver Member
It's not just about subjectivity. Sometimes its a matter of violating the terms of service.

But then again....isn’t the formation of any TOS based on the subjectivity of the person writing the TOS?

Critical thinking can be your path to enlightenment.....
 
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lfigueroa

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Well, to be fair, they never really understood the objections to the system's claims. And they have a vested interest in defending the claims - they're an important part of the system's value, maybe even what makes it work for them.

pj
chgo


I always thought that was a big part of it.

By being an advocate, a couple of guys were able to carve out a small bit of notoriety for themselves in the pool world.

Lou Figueroa
 

Dan White

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
But then again....isn’t the formation of any TOS based on the subjectivity of the person writing the TOS?

Outlawing murder is also based on the subjectivity of those making up the law. At some point subjectivity becomes a rule or law that everybody agrees to following if they want to participate in society. Don't confuse "subjectivity" with "whim."

Critical thinking can be your path to enlightenment.....

Agreed.
 

duckie

GregH
Silver Member
It still doesn’t change the fact that on this forum, banning is purely subjective because of the how selective the forum rules....TOS are applied. And when only one person is the one deciding.......well, it takes a very special skill to be totally objective, which is what is required to be fair about bannings.

Oh......about murder........it depends on what county, society one lives one if it is right or wrong......and it still subjective. If murder wasn’t subjective, there would never be any murder trials.

Btw...........English and Spidey aren’t murders, just opinionated people and there are those that just didnt want to tolerate them on here. I was able to tolerate them, why others couldn’t, well I just wont speculate.......

I’ve seen this happen else where.....a small sore of regulars wants to control the forum to their liking and their liking alone.
 

duckie

GregH
Silver Member
The topic was the subjectivity of what is considered a good discussion on a forum. Points and counterpoints were made.

You know when someone runs out of valid counterpoints when ilrelvent topics are brought into the discussion.
 

BC21

https://www.playpoolbetter.com
Gold Member
Silver Member
The topic was the subjectivity of what is considered a good discussion on a forum. Points and counterpoints were made.

You know when someone runs out of valid counterpoints when ilrelvent topics are brought into the discussion.

So true. And, like you, I hate censorship also. I didn't have a problem with English or Spider, though Spider did have a tendency to assume things about me that he was just flat wrong on. And he had a tendency to invoke hostile interactions...it's hard not to reply to a smartass that's continually misrepresenting your intentions or character. But I'm with you....censorship is for socialists.
 

skip100

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I’ve seen this happen else where.....a small sore of regulars wants to control the forum to their liking and their liking alone.
The regulars in question were actually people like Low500, Spidey and English, who bludgeoned opponents into submission with 1000-word contentless posts and repeated unhinged personal attacks.

It's unfortunate, but Spider in particular was clearly unable to control himself.
 

JoeyInCali

Maker of Joey Bautista Cues
Silver Member
The regulars in question were actually people like Low500, Spidey and English, who bludgeoned opponents into submission with 1000-word contentless posts and repeated unhinged personal attacks.

Half of spider's hard drive is rsb and azb text.


And I suspect the book is not coming so one or two just bolted out.
 

Straightpool_99

I see dead balls
Silver Member
How can I say this diplomatically?

June 25 is the date when it appears that a mass exodus has occurred. I thought that was supposed to happen after a book was published, but I guess there's no time like the present. Time will tell. Will the aiming forum become an interesting place for good discussion or will it become irrelevant and deleted? Again, time will tell.

Personally, I think it is worth giving it a shot and I think recent posts like Pat's are a good start.

I don't want to speculate about why they left, or gloat about those who got kicked out. I will say that the aiming forum was super busy in the short time when the "lifers" were paroled....Could be that everyone loves a trainwreck and a good argument, because, at least to me, the quality of the overall discussion (apart from insults) was at best the same as before but probably worse. That being said, I think bans should be reserved for people who actually threaten or menace others. If some guy calls me an idiot on here or even everyone else an idiot, that is to me just an opinion and should not be grounds for a ban. Posts and especially threads should be deleted only rarely and extremely selectiveley, IMO.

If the AZB people were super cynical and hungry for traffic, they should have just let those guys go ape in the forum. I saw guys in here that haven't been here for years and years, and some that have never been in here before. Of course the latter were then promptly chased off, so maybe it would have been a wash. And everyone would have been insulted at least 10 times a day, apart from the CTE crowd, OFC.

I'm not sure what this forum will be like without the fanatics. They make life and pool so wonderfully simple and black-and-white. Without them it's all shades of grey...It might get really boring, but it could also become actually productive. Time will tell, I guess.
 
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Patrick Johnson

Fish of the Day
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bans should be reserved for people who actually threaten or menace others
...Posts and especially threads should be deleted only rarely and extremely selectiveley
The owners of the site don't have an obligation to host a free speech forum, and the tone of things here reflects, maybe unfairly but unavoidably, on them and their business.

And too much disruption, like the "wall of rant" (complete with cheerleading squad) we just witnessed, makes a forum uninviting. We saw what can happen when trolls strangled the life out of rec.sport.billiard, an unmoderated usenet forum.

And of course it's a much more pleasant place without the drama and much more likely to generate fun, useful talk. I've been banned more than once, but I can appreciate the need for some judgment calls by the mods.

pj
chgo
 

medallio

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I’ll still be open minded about cte but Mr. Shuffet had better figure out a way to explain it better because so far he hasn’t. Quite simply some people have better spatial perception than others and I think that perception combined with repeatable stroke is what separates good from great
 

Patrick Johnson

Fish of the Day
Silver Member
I’ll still be open minded about cte but Mr. Shuffet had better figure out a way to explain it better because so far he hasn’t.
Nice to be able to make a simple comment like that without setting off a storm of loud objections, insults and general mayhem. Kinda like a “forum” where “conversation” happens.

pj
chgo
 

duckie

GregH
Silver Member
Once again, what is uninviting is totally subjective. Why there just might be some that think the great PJ makes this forum univiting, and I am sure there are those that think the same of me.

Then again, it is totally subjective.

What is and is not uninviting on the forum is all based on personal opinions, bias’s and prejudices.
 

BC21

https://www.playpoolbetter.com
Gold Member
Silver Member
Once again, what is uninviting is totally subjective. Why there just might be some that think the great PJ makes this forum univiting, and I am sure there are those that think the same of me.

Then again, it is totally subjective.

What is and is not uninviting on the forum is all based on personal opinions, bias’s and prejudices.

Another good post...so true. But let's say you own a coffee shop where people of all backgrounds come to sip on coffee, eat bagels, and discuss varying opinions with polite civility. Occasionally someone will raise their voice, but they realize they've stepped out of bounds and they immediately tone it down. If they get too emotionally challenged they simply stand up and walk out.

Now imagine one person that continually goes off on people for what most would consider a minor issue, people that don't agree with him, and here he is out of control and calling them jackasses or morons, or telling them GFY. Some patrons sit quietly and try to ignore this guy, some yell back, some laugh. But the majority of patrons look to you, as the owner, to take control of the situation. Do you ask the guy to calm down? Do you threaten to have him barred from the place?

I think this is similar to AZ'Bs position when it comes to certain forums. Some things are entertaining, but there's a fine line between entertainment and annoyance.
 
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