Who will be ready to play the same game with Shane now?

HawaiianEye said:

Short races let people catch up if you stumble.

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This is the beauty of shorter races. Pressure, right out of the gate. Once SVB got out to a big lead against Dennis. Do you think he ever felt any pressure? Not likely.

Races to 15 are best, but as you mentioned, you can come out ahead in games over the course of a few short sets, yet come out loser overall. This is if you are playing a best of series.

The best solution would be to scratch the best of, and just pay by the set.

BeiberLvr said:

You keep ignoring the fact that NO ONE is going to play for 100k without it being rack your own.

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You should ask the Chinese or the Taiwanese about that one.

Tin Man said:

It's strange. In the 60s and 70s legends were told about 10 ahead sessions that lasted for days, and it was considered a badge of pride to play long sessions. Gambling was where the top players really earned their status.

Now many players look down at gambling and long sessions, saying that tournaments are all that matter and dismissing SVB as a gimmick player because he has a poor Mosconi cup track record.

SVB is a hybrid. He can gamble and play long sessions, and he has an impressive tournament track record as well. His rating has been in the top 3 for the last 12 years for a reason.

Yes, Filler, Wu, and Change could all give him a run for his money. And yes, he'd better be in top form if he wants to get even his share of tournaments these days with another 10-15 players that are nipping at his heels, young and hungry.

But pay the man some respect. He is a heck of a player.

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What did happen to Ten Ahead? That's all we played for big money back in the day. A real big game might be played Fifteen Ahead. When two top players matched up at 9-Ball back then, there were times when Ten Ahead took all night to settle. It was a good test of skill and endurance.

iusedtoberich said:

If I were Shane, I'd go to Taiwan for 2 months. Practice straight for the first month, and get time zone adjusted. Then, one month in, play Chang, Ko, Ko, races to 100 every week. Then go to China, and play Wu.

Of course, I'm just an armchair quarterback:grin-square::grin-square:

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He wouldn't like it, I can tell you that. It's one thing to beat a good player a long set like Shane just did. It's another thing to take them on one after another. Playing one top player after another (Taiwan or the Philippines) will wear you out! You might beat one or two but when they keep coming at you one after another, it will be overwhelming. I've seen that movie before.

I can remember long ago when there was some guy who was beating everyone he played. When the top players got wind of this they went after him, in droves! They wore him down to where he couldn't make a ball after awhile. They had completely broken him down.

A good player like Tin Man will understand this I'm sure.

Your right!

BeiberLvr said:

You keep ignoring the fact that NO ONE is going to play for 100k without it being rack your own.

These guys all know the same tricks. Shane just hits the rack better.

Get over it.

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The whole racking thing is way over stated, Shane is going to beat anybody on a given day and only a few have a chance in a Money game..., WU, Chang, Dennis..,

Your right!

BeiberLvr said:

This is the beauty of shorter races. Pressure, right out of the gate. Once SVB got out to a big lead against Dennis. Do you think he ever felt any pressure? Not likely.

Races to 15 are best, but as you mentioned, you can come out ahead in games over the course of a few short sets, yet come out loser overall. This is if you are playing a best of series.

The best solution would be to scratch the best of, and just pay by the set.

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Race to 15 or 21 and you'll see all you need to..,

penguin said:

Take away the rule "rack your own / no checking of the racks" and you will see that Shane may refuse to get in the box with many of the elite players.



How much would Shane's "Successful breaks" percentage go down if he was not racking for himself?

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Where have I heard this before?

Tin Man said:

It's strange. In the 60s and 70s legends were told about 10 ahead sessions that lasted for days, and it was considered a badge of pride to play long sessions. Gambling was where the top players really earned their status.

Now many players look down at gambling and long sessions, saying that tournaments are all that matter and dismissing SVB as a gimmick player because he has a poor Mosconi cup track record.

SVB is a hybrid. He can gamble and play long sessions, and he has an impressive tournament track record as well. His rating has been in the top 3 for the last 12 years for a reason.

Yes, Filler, Wu, and Change could all give him a run for his money. And yes, he'd better be in top form if he wants to get even his share of tournaments these days with another 10-15 players that are nipping at his heels, young and hungry.

But pay the man some respect. He is a heck of a player.

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As it shoud be. He has raised the bar considerably. And I think he likes stiff competition. Makes him push harder.

penguin said:

Take away the rule "rack your own / no checking of the racks" and you will see that Shane may refuse to get in the box with many of the elite players.



How much would Shane's "Successful breaks" percentage go down if he was not racking for himself?

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Except this BS has already been put to bed by Mike Page, who did a thorough analysis of Shane's performance in rack your own versus neutral racker matches, and his performance didn't change at all.

But don't let that stop you from putting forth "fake news".

ShortBusRuss said:

Except this BS has already been put to bed by Mike Page, who did a thorough analysis of Shane's performance in rack your own versus neutral racker matches, and his performance didn't change at all.

But don't let that stop you from putting forth "fake news".

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So you would be willing to bet that Shane makes a ball on the break (without fouling) 89% of the time, or more, with a neutral racker?

jrctherake said:

Well said!!!!

I get sick and tired of hearing people yap, yap yap about how boring it is to watch someone run rack after rack.....

LOLLOLOLOL

I say: read that again and again until "running rack after rack" is seen for what it truly is.

It's the sign of a true champion.

As for me, well, I will never get tired of watching SVB run packs. As a matter of fact, I enjoy watching ANYONE runs racks.

To go a little further:

All this horse crap is like people that say 14.1 is boring. We know why they think it's boring. It's because they don't know what their watching.

14.1 players like John Schmidt for example, can be watched and looked at as boring as hell OR a person can really pay attention and learn something IF they know what to look for.

Same thing with players like SVB. Watching him move around the table playing 10 ball is about like watching a HIGHLY skilled 14.1 player run big numbers.

How ANYONE cqn say ^^^^^^^^^ is boring and then say they love the games or are students of the game is beyond me.

Jeff

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Thank you! I enjoy watching someone run off a rack, to solve the puzzle. If someone whoops my arse by running racks, I bow to greatness, and try harder, play better safes, etc. I hate to lose when i beat myself... miss shots, piss poor positions. But if I get beat by someone playing well, my hats off to em.

Shortbus, I missed that analysis. Do you have a link by chance? I’d like to read it.

I also agree Shane’s break is way better because he hits the 1 ball way more consistently rack after rack. He’s not rigging the rack.

Dennis never had a shot in this. I think Shane beats him every time. Chang is the only one I see with a real chance at beating him in a long 10 ball race. 9 ball is a whole different story though.

Put him in the box with Filler or Ko and I'd have to buy the stream.
THAT I want to see.

Jay you remember (the cream comes to the top) saying. All this bs Shane,s cheating by no playing nits is whats wrong in the game.Give me 10 or 20 Shane,s and i could find a tour sponsor. Races that end 11-10 11-9 dont reflect any dominance . It,s like Ronnie at 1p playing 10or11-6or 7 and running out.That was showing dominance .If you want to know who,s the best go play your favorite (you rack all the games) bet high.Then play Shane the same way and decide who,s best. Dont play Shane first you will be broke..

penguin said:

So you would be willing to bet that Shane makes a ball on the break (without fouling) 89% of the time, or more, with a neutral racker?

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Not necessarily, and that just means he’s even better since his win rate stays the same no matter what’s happening rack-wise.

But in reality, in 10 ball...with a template...it doesn’t much matter who is racking them lol. And if a neutral racker gives a tight rack then I’d say his percentage is going to be close

pt109 said:

If I never see another long race....it’ll be too soon.

What’s wrong with race to 15.....best of seven sets?
...and there could be action every set....besides on the long haul.

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I think the format that Shane and Siming Chen played with was very effective. I think they were races to 21 best of 7 sets.
Or maybe it was 15 (it’s sunday and I’m feeling lazy to look it up :grin-square

Great format though.

Cardigan Kid said:

I think the format that Shane and Siming Chen played with was very effective. I think they were races to 21 best of 7 sets.
Or maybe it was 15 (it’s sunday and I’m feeling lazy to look it up :grin-square

Great format though.

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Race to 21, best of 3 would be good to me .
SVB vs Chang

JoeyInCali said:

Race to 21, best of 3 would be good to me .
SVB vs Chang

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Can’t argue with that. It would be perfect test of dominance, pressure, endurance and skill.

In such a looong race match like it was a race to 120 and even to 100 I guess there is no way the streamer will get a lot of viewers from the different time zone. Somebody like me who is crazy enough about pool to watch a great battle with players like SVB but being from Europe...well it means no sleep 3 nights in a row. I would not like to have a risk and discover myself to be single. How crazy the one should be to go through such a marathon. I understand the organizers of such the action matches don't bother much about such "little things"...
When it comes to me I would be glad to watch SVB playing against such opponents in that order:
- Chang J.L.
- Wu C.C.
- J.Filler
- R.Chinahov.
BTW during the last Kremlin cup before the dream challenge there was a training camp Johan held with team USA and team Russia players divided in pairs (american + russian in each). Well SVB practiced in pair with Ruslan and both of them were the best in some most difficult drills Johan offered. He was just amazed how come they were able to finish those in their first attempt...
In addition there was ABN challenge 10-ball race to 30 match back in 2015 if I remember correctly. The same year Ruslan won Kremlin cup. Ruslan won in that challenge match 30-22. I'm aware of what Ruslan is capable and would be glad to see him playing vs SVB in action one more time. I like his fundamentals much more than DO. So as he is fairly close when it comes to height to me he's one of my favorite players to watch (so smooth and fluid). When it comes to the cueing only Ronny O'Sullivan I like even better