kildegirl said:hogwash in spades
I'm a little confused, isn't this suposed to be based on your system?
Did they get something wrong?
Dale
kildegirl said:hogwash in spades
Do you think the amount of throw differs for your 4 proposition shots? If it does, why? If it doesn't, how do your shots produce different cut angles?
pj
chgo
Blah blah, quack quack.
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Patrick, sorry that you wasted your time creating your little diagram...
av84fun said:CaptainJR writes"
"Yup, that's it. It applies to any system as soon as you start changing the tip position or using a soft or very hard stroke. The problem I see with your system is that using it you now add to those by also having to adjust your basic aiming point. You have enough to adjust for without having to adjust that as well."
I see your point but at the heart of the system (forgetting about whether is works) is the irrefutable fact that when a shot is correctly aimed:
A) the cue tip points SOMEWHERE on the OB and as is true with my gun sight analogy. So THAT PART of the system that suggest pointing your "rifle" at a target on the OB and
B) There MIGHT BE a systematic way to benefit from the above. And a former Top 5 pro just pm'd me and joined SEVERAL others to report EXCELLENT results with the system. (Those people are electing not to post on the forum for obvious reasons relating to the arrogance and rudeness exhibited by certain "new friends" on this forum) (-:
"Tell me your system works when you are making the large majority of your difficult shots."
FASCINATING comments! THANKS!
WHAT IF the ONLY shots in my system that work are the shots that you find "difficult" and miss more than you would like???
Wouldn't a system that just HAPPENED to address your tough shots be VERY valuable to you??
So, to repay your kindness in giving your time to comment on this thread in a gentlemanly fashion, please feel free to pm me describing as precisely as you can what shots you tend to miss most often and I will correlate the system for you and let you see if it helps!!
Regards,
Jim
CaptainJR said:What shot do I miss the most? That is an easy question and I don't mind saying it here in public. Back cuts, not just slight ones though. A little more cut than that. I went down to the table to make sure of what I was talking about and really didn't believe what I found. How much cut does a back cut have to be for it to be one of the ones that I tend to miss? Exactly where it gets to the point that no part of the cue stick is pointing at any part of the object ball. And I don't think that is a coincidence. Hmmm, I'm going to think on that a while.
r,
JR
I think the difficulty of back cuts (it's nearly universal) is related to the fact that you're looking away from the rail that usually provides you with a strong visual cue where the pocket is.CaptainJR said:What shot do I miss the most? That is an easy question and I don't mind saying it here in public. Back cuts, not just slight ones though. A little more cut than that. I went down to the table to make sure of what I was talking about and really didn't believe what I found. How much cut does a back cut have to be for it to be one of the ones that I tend to miss? Exactly where it gets to the point that no part of the cue stick is pointing at any part of the object ball. And I don't think that is a coincidence. Hmmm, I'm going to think on that a while.
r,
JR
Patrick Johnson said:I think the difficulty of back cuts (it's nearly universal) is related to the fact that you're looking away from the rail that usually provides you with a strong visual cue where the pocket is.
pj
chgo
Do you think we use only one visual cue?av84fun said:Actually Patrick, the POCKET gives you an even stronger visual cue as to WHERE THE POCKET IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ROFLMAO!!!
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Patrick Johnson said:Do you think we use only one visual cue?
Is it really 15-20 exclamation points worth of excitement to disagree with something I say? If I've become that important to you, I'm glad to help.
pj
chgo
av84fun said:pdcue..."Is it your contention that there are NO players who have mastered the
skill of aimming?
If so, why is that?"
No Dale. Did you see that sentence in my post? Ifr you did, get your eyes checked. My suggestion is that there are no players...with brains...who think they know everything about the game of pool.
You appear to think you do but you would be a minority of one in holding that opinion.
And by the way, your ridiculous question was founded in the high school debate team trick of exaggerating your opponents remark to a prosperous extreme. So you REALLY need to work on your debating skills, my man, because you need the 5 out as things stand now.
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av84fun said:Back cuts are a problem for LOTS of people as you know. So, here we go.
Set up the following two shots...just to get started.
1. Place the CB on the headstring one diamond off the right side rail. Make sure the center of the CB is one the 1 diamond line.
2. Place the OB on the same 1 diamond line one diamond past the side pocket.
So, its not TOO difficult..but not a hanger.
3. Put wet spots under the two balls so you can set up the exact shame shot repeatedly.
What you now have is the one shot that has no "width range" like the others do. It's just a shot aimed directly at 1 diamond from the pocket. As discussed in earlier threads this shot is maybe a "borderline" shot and may need an "exception" attached to it (see later).
But just to start, the system "as is" requires TP 3 which aligns the LEFT edge of the tip with the LEFT edge of the CB.
On my table, TP3 causes the ball to go BUT it contacts the left facing..but that's OK since the "best way to miss" that shot is to contact the RIGHT point.
On my table (4.625 pockets) the shot goes into the right facing every time ( just did 5 in a row to prepare for this post). If you set this up and miss, it SHOULD be slightly to the right especially if you have narrower pockets.
But for clarity it should LOOK like the arc of the left side of the tip is flush with the arc of the left edge of the CB.
Also, in an attempt to eliminate stroke errors, just line it up with the tip a half inch from the CENTER of the CB and then just push it smoothly through with no backstroke at all. Then shoot more as you normally would.
Shot #2
1. Keep the OB position where it is.
2. Place another OB on the CB spot for Shot #1 and then freeze 2 more OBs to it on the right and then freeze the CB to the right of that. Obvioulsy what you just did was to place the new CB exactly 2 ball widths to the right of Shot #1.
3. Now, the LOC point between the 1st and 2nd diamonds to the left of the right corner which calls for TP4. That is the one where the right half of the tip appeas to be on the left edge of the CB and the left half is not on the CB. Actually, what I do is to imagine a pinpoint laser from the center of the tip pointing exactly at the left edge of the CB
Mark that new CB position and shoot as above. It should go nearly dead center.
If those work, try the SUPERBOWL shot! (-:
1. CB on head spot
2. OB on the foot spot.
That calls for TP5 where the right edge of the tip is aligned with the left edge of the OB.
I guarantee you that if you miss, you will miss to the left due to a too-full hit so on such a shot...I don't "mess with the system" but I just promise myself that NO part of the tip will be ON the OB.
As previously noted, I drained 9 of 10 last night while alternating between the R & L pockets.
But for now, just shoot at one pocket several times because the tolerances of this shot are CRITICAL and you need to "train your eye" a little.
If the above shots go for you, then you will have started to "dig" the visuals and can proceed from one TP to another and adjust as may be necessary FOR YOU! But my investigations so far lead me to believe that the VAST majority of misses will be because of a too thick hit so just keep that in mind.
If the above doesn't work given that it IS working for NUMEROUS people including pros, there must be a dominant eye issue in your case.
FINALLY, due to the dynamics of the system it is NOT necessary to even LOOK at the pocket. As I have posted here, I had a World Champion hold a couple of feet of paper towel blocking my view of the corner pocket...approached Shot #3 above without ever looking at the paper towel...made the shot...and smiled QUITE broadly!
My point is that many feel that back cuts are a prolem because you are "looking away" from the target. But in my system, you don't have to look at it AT ALL because you know the TP based on where the LOC points so....IF NOTHING ELSE...this system may be valuable on back cuts ONLY...but if so, I suspect it would make you and a couple more people happy.
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Let me know how you do.
Best,
Jim
Patrick Johnson said:I think the difficulty of back cuts (it's nearly universal) is related to the fact that you're looking away from the rail that usually provides you with a strong visual cue where the pocket is.
pj
chgo
CaptainJR said:What shot do I miss the most? That is an easy question and I don't mind saying it here in public. Back cuts, not just slight ones though. A little more cut than that. I went down to the table to make sure of what I was talking about and really didn't believe what I found. How much cut does a back cut have to be for it to be one of the ones that I tend to miss? Exactly where it gets to the point that no part of the cue stick is pointing at any part of the object ball. And I don't think that is a coincidence. Hmmm, I'm going to think on that a while.
r,
JR
pdcue said:Yet another avoidance of answering a simple, straight forward question.
How exactly did aimming morph into 'everything'?
Dale
CaptainJR said:I took a look at this late last night. I don't think I'm following you at all. You are talking about cutting into the right corner pocket? The first shot is a normal cut, not a back cut but I figure you are using it as a base. If you are, then moving the object ball two ball widths to the right, that is the opposite direction that it needs to go to become a back cut.
As far as the "Superbowl" shot, well that has always been one of my standard practice shot. I don't miss that one very often. Not really a back cut as I'm referring to them.
What I do see here is that every shot you are talking about part of the cut tip (stick) is pointing at the object ball. If you refer to my problem shot, it specifies that the problem begins when no part of the stick is pointing at the object ball.
JR
What I do see here is that every shot you are talking about part of the cut tip (stick) is pointing at the object ball. If you refer to my problem shot, it specifies that the problem begins when no part of the stick is pointing at the object ball.
If you are, then moving the object ball two ball widths to the right, that is the opposite direction that it needs to go to become a back cut.
av84fun said:Dale, this post further exhibits your petty nature and your severely deficient reading comprehension skills.
The more intelligent observer would have noted that the word "everything" BY DEFINITION included the the topic of aiming. So, in fact, I DID give you a direct answer to your direct but rather simple-minded question.
But let me move down several dozen points in the IQ scale and answer you in a way that you are more likely to comprehend.
It is my opinion that there is only ONE person on planet earth who would be so megalomaniacial to THINK, let alone say in public that they know everything there is no know about aiming.
That ONE person would be you, sir.
pdcue said:Perhaps you could point out exactly where I claimed to know
everything about aimming.
I await on the edge of my seat to see how you justify not answering
this question either.
Dale<who put the glo in meglomanical, which is a word>