Corey Deuel's famous draw shot, and other options

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I have to think the 11 o'clock inside follow would be the easiest to repeat.

Call me stupid,but I also think Corey was trying to get below the 7, and the ball skidded a hair. I sure would like to hear his take on it.

Great video.....
 

Tony_in_MD

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I think it is important to understand that the table conditions were perfect for the shot Corey chose. New cloth, and a bank of TV lights over the table that heated and dried any moisture in the cloth.

Lacking those conditions I choose the inside english route away from the 7 ball.




FYI, I just posted a new video on YouTube:

NV H.6 - Corey Deuel's famous draw shot analyzed by Dr. Dave

Check it out. I attempt Corey's famous shot on my new table and show several easier alternatives. Which shot do you think would be the best (most accurate and consistent) choice for most good players?

Enjoy,
Dave
 

GideonF

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I haven't tried any of them, but I don't like any of the options after the first two. I am not confident that I'm going to avoid the 7 ball on a bunch of them (you came very close) or the side pocket (on the others).

Corey's shot (as he shoots it) actually has a pretty big positional margin for error, but requires a stroke I don't have!
 

dr_dave

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I have to think the 11 o'clock inside follow would be the easiest to repeat.
I think my first choice would have been the two railer with outside; but after trying all of the options, I agree with you that the inside follow seemed like the easiest option.

Call me stupid,but I also think Corey was trying to get below the 7, and the ball skidded a hair. I sure would like to hear his take on it.
I'd like to hear his take also.

Great video.....
Thanks.

Regards,
Dave
 

Hits 'em Hard

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FYI, I just posted a new video on YouTube:

NV H.6 - Corey Deuel's famous draw shot analyzed by Dr. Dave

Check it out. I attempt Corey's famous shot on my new table and show several easier alternatives. Which shot do you think would be the best (most accurate and consistent) choice for most good players?

Enjoy,
Dave

First and foremost. If you're going to analyze other players shots, please be mindful of where you're hitting the cue ball. Your attempt at replicating Corey's shot is a complete failure. Not only are you not hitting the cue ball hard enough, you're not hitting nearly low enough. Corey's shot is hit with max draw while you hit 2/3 max draw. Also his has a slight bit of left, not right like you shot. What does the left do? It kills the extra speed. Had you gotten as much draw like Corey did, with the right you put on you would end up hooked on the 5.

Experiment failure Dave.
 

dr_dave

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I think it is important to understand that the table conditions were perfect for the shot Corey chose. New cloth, and a bank of TV lights over the table that heated and dried any moisture in the cloth.
Agreed! With how much Corey's draw was delayed, I also wonder if the balls were waxed up before the match.

Lacking those conditions I choose the inside english route away from the 7 ball.
I like that option also, but conditions could also play a roll here. For example, I don't think I could have hit this shot reliably on my previous table with a much slower cloth and rails that didn't take the english as much, and where reverse killed the CB quite a bit.

Regards,
Dave
 

Tony_in_MD

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I believe they were run through a diamond ball polisher between every round. What they used on them I was not privy too.

Conditions can dictate the shot.

Agreed! With how much Corey's draw was delayed, I also wonder if the balls were waxed up before the match.

I like that option also, but conditions could also play a roll here. For example, I don't think I could have hit this shot reliably on my previous table with a much slower cloth and rails that didn't take the english as much, and where reverse killed the CB quite a bit.

Regards,
Dave
 

dr_dave

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First and foremost. If you're going to analyze other players shots, please be mindful of where you're hitting the cue ball. Your attempt at replicating Corey's shot is a complete failure. Not only are you not hitting the cue ball hard enough, you're not hitting nearly low enough. Corey's shot is hit with max draw while you hit 2/3 max draw.
I agree 100%. I did not hit as low as I wanted. I should have tried a few more attempts. I also should have waxed up the CB to better simulate the TV table conditions for Corey's shot. Honestly, I didn't do more attempts because my elbow was starting to hurt. If you notice the bandage on my elbow at the end of the video, it is because I took a nasty fall on my mountain bike on the road this past weekend. I'm not trying to make excuses, because I honestly admit that Corey's shot is not easy, but my elbow was hurting.

Also his has a slight bit of left, not right like you shot. What does the left do? It kills the extra speed. Had you gotten as much draw like Corey did, with the right you put on you would end up hooked on the 5.
I added the touch of right because I was not getting enough draw. Again, I should have done more attempts. I also should have waited for my elbow to heal, but I wanted to try the shot while my table cloth was still brand new.

Regards,
Dave
 

dr_dave

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Is that Bob's table?
That is Robert Byrne's table that is now in my basement, with brand new Simonis 860HR cloth. This was the first video I shot with the new table.

It is so much nicer than my previous 8' Connelly with Championship cloth.

The new table is really fun to play on. I look forward to putting in some good attempts at the BU Exams (Doctorate level) soon.

Catch you later,
Dave
 

Hits 'em Hard

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I agree 100%. I did not hit as low as I wanted. I should have tried a few more attempts. I also should have waxed up the CB to better simulate the TV table conditions for Corey's shot. Honestly, I didn't do more attempts because my elbow was starting to hurt. If you notice the bandage on my elbow at the end of the video, it is because I took a nasty fall on my mountain bike on the road this past weekend. I'm not trying to make excuses, because I honestly admit that Corey's shot is not easy, but my elbow was hurting.

I added the touch of right because I was not getting enough draw. Again, I should have done more attempts. I also should have waited for my elbow to heal, but I wanted to try the shot while my table cloth was still brand new.

Regards,
Dave

So rather than actually making a video that analyzes his shot, you attempt to demean his shot with your unwitty banter? Delete this thread, delete your page you created and delete that video. If you cannot replicate Corey's shot, it's just further proof of your lack of understanding.

Edit: also this isn't the first time I've seen you use the excuse you've wrecked on your bike either. Maybe you need to get better at riding so you don't crash.
 

dr_dave

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So rather than actually making a video that analyzes his shot, you attempt to demean his shot with your unwitty banter? Delete this thread, delete your page you created and delete that video. If you cannot replicate Corey's shot, it's just further proof of your lack of understanding.

Edit: also this isn't the first time I've seen you use the excuse you've wrecked on your bike either. Maybe you need to get better at riding so you don't crash.
I fully admit that I don't have Corey's stroke ... not even close, but I still think the video is of value in having people see, think about, and try the alternative shots.

Regards,
Dave
 

drv4

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So rather than actually making a video that analyzes his shot, you attempt to demean his shot with your unwitty banter? Delete this thread, delete your page you created and delete that video. If you cannot replicate Corey's shot, it's just further proof of your lack of understanding.

Edit: also this isn't the first time I've seen you use the excuse you've wrecked on your bike either. Maybe you need to get better at riding so you don't crash.

Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. I bet you're a ton of fun to shoot pool with.
 

Hits 'em Hard

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I fully admit that I don't have Corey's stroke ... not even close, but I still think the video is of value in having people see, think about, and try the alternative shots.

Regards,
Dave

And I still thinking doing this is the worst thing possible. You basically made a video showing you cannot do the shot at hand. When criticized you say you're injured and that's why you could do the shot. How about this, you delete that page and video. Once you're healed you redo everything. And this time, actually hit max draw. Ok?
 

Johnny Rosato

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First and foremost. If you're going to analyze other players shots, please be mindful of where you're hitting the cue ball. Your attempt at replicating Corey's shot is a complete failure. Not only are you not hitting the cue ball hard enough, you're not hitting nearly low enough. Corey's shot is hit with max draw while you hit 2/3 max draw. Also his has a slight bit of left, not right like you shot. What does the left do? It kills the extra speed. Had you gotten as much draw like Corey did, with the right you put on you would end up hooked on the 5.

Experiment failure Dave.
Dr. Dave has given tons of very helpful info & it's cost me and the general public zero. And you get on here & try to slight him,what have you done for the pool community and where can I find it ?
 

Johnny Rosato

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I fully admit that I don't have Corey's stroke ... not even close, but I still think the video is of value in having people see, think about, and try the alternative shots.

Regards,
Dave
Don't listen to fools,your info is very much wanted,valued, and appreciated !!!
 

john coloccia

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And I still thinking doing this is the worst thing possible. You basically made a video showing you cannot do the shot at hand. When criticized you say you're injured and that's why you could do the shot. How about this, you delete that page and video. Once you're healed you redo everything. And this time, actually hit max draw. Ok?

Isn't the point of the video that it's a hard shot to execute, and to look at alternatives? What's the difference if he doesn't hit the shot exactly like Corey? You can watch Corey hit it if you want to see how Corey hits it.
 

Spimp13

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I believe it was Corey who also did another phenomenal draw shot with the cue ball being slightly off the rail long shooting a long distance draw shot jacked up. I saw it on a clip I want to say on youtube. I want to say it was more impressive then this shot Dave posted. Maybe someone can find it.
 
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