Mosconi Cup Stats -- Career Records for Players on 2018 Teams

AtLarge

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Again this year, I am posting the career Mosconi-Cup records of this year's players. The combined records for each player were compiled from individual-year match results on Wikipedia and my own records.

Team USA will enter the event with a combined 24 years of Cup experience, with 83% of that in Van Boening and Deuel. Team Europe has 16 years of Cup experience, but 75% of that is in Feijen alone. Team USA has one rookie, and Team Europe has two.

Method 1. Under this method, I counted a full win or loss for each player in each match (i.e., not splitting the point into fifths for teams matches or halves for doubles matches). So these numbers essentially answer the question: "In how many winning and losing matches has each player been involved?" [A record like 11-16 means 11 wins and 16 losses, not 11 wins out of 16 matches.]


  • Team USA
    • • Shane Van Boening (11 years -- 2007-2017) ..... 11-16 singles, 11-17 doubles, 4-7 teams, 26-40 total (winning percentage of 39%)

      • Corey Deuel (9 yrs. -- 2000-2002, 2006-2007, 2009-2010, 2014-2015) ..... 7-6 singles, 13-12 doubles, 2-0 trebles, 5-2 teams, 27-20 total (57%)

      • Skyler Woodward (3 yrs. -- 2015-2017) ..... 0-4 singles, 3-6 doubles, 1-2 teams, 4-12 total (25%)

      • Billy Thorpe (1 yr. -- 2017) ..... 1-0 singles, 1-2 doubles, 0-1 teams, 2-3 total (40%)

      • Tyler Styer (0 yrs. -- rookie)

      • Team USA Total ..... 19-26 singles, 28-37 doubles, 2-0 trebles, 10-12 teams, 59-75 total (44%)


    Team Europe
    • • Niels Feijen (12 yrs. -- 2001, 2004-2005, 2007-2009, 2011-2016) ..... 12-8 singles, 24-9 doubles, 5-4 teams, 41-21 total (66%)

      • Albin Ouschan (2 yrs. -- 2015-2016) ..... 3-0 singles, 5-1 doubles, 1-1 teams, 9-2 total (82%)

      • Jayson Shaw (2 yrs. -- 2016-2017) ..... 2-2 singles, 3-2 doubles, 2-0 teams, 7-4 total (64%)

      • Eklent Kaçi (0 yrs. -- rookie)

      • Alex Kazakis (0 yrs. -- rookie)

      • Team Europe Total ..... 17-10 singles, 32-12 doubles, 8-5 teams, 57-27 total (68%)


Method 2. Another way of looking at the records is to count a full point for each player in a singles win or loss, half a point for each player in a doubles win or loss, and one-fifth of a point for each player in a team win or loss. So the following numbers essentially answer the question: "What numerical contribution has each player made to the overall Mosconi Cup match scores?"


  • Team USA


    • • Van Boening (11 yrs.) ..... 11-16 singles, 5.5-8.5 doubles, 0.8-1.4 teams, 17.3-25.9 total (40%)

      • Corey Deuel (9 yrs.) ..... 7-6 singles, 6.5-6.0 doubles, 0.7-0 trebles, 0.9-0.4 teams, 15.1-12.4 total (55%)

      • Woodward (3 yrs.) ..... 0-4 singles, 1.5-3.0 doubles, 0.2-0.4 teams, 1.7-7.4 total (19%)

      • Thorpe (1 yr.) ..... 1-0 singles, 0.5-1.0 doubles, 0-0.2 teams, 1.5-1.2 total (56%)

      • Styer (0 yrs. -- rookie)

      • Team USA Total ..... 19-26 singles, 14.0-18.5 doubles, 0.7-0 trebles, 1.9-2.4 teams, 35.6-46.9 total (43%)


    Team Europe
    • • Niels Feijen (12 yrs.) ..... 12-8 singles, 12-4.5 doubles, 1.0-0.8 teams, 25.0-13.3 total (65%)

      • Albin Ouschan (2 yrs.) ..... 3-0 singles, 2.5-0.5 doubles, 0.2-0.2 teams, 5.7-0.7 total (89%)

      • Jayson Shaw (2 yrs.) ..... 2-2 singles, 1.5-1.0 doubles, 0.4-0 teams, 3.9-3.0 total (57%)

      • Eklent Kaçi (0 yrs. -- rookie)

      • Alex Kazakis (0 yrs. -- rookie)

      • Team Europe Total ..... 17-10 singles, 16-6.0 doubles, 1.6-1.0 teams, 34.6-17.0 total (67%)
 
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Tooler

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Again this year, I am posting the career Mosconi-Cup records of this year's players. The combined records for each player were compiled from individual-year match results on Wikipedia and my own records.

Team USA will enter the event with a combined 24 years of Cup experience, with 83% of that in Van Boening and Deuel. Team Europe has 16 years of Cup experience, but 75% of that is in Feijen alone. Team USA has one rookie, and Team Europe has two.

Method 1. Under this method, I counted a full win or loss for each player in each match (i.e., not splitting the point into fifths for teams matches or halves for doubles matches). So these numbers essentially answer the question: "In how many winning and losing matches has each player been involved?" [A record like 11-16 means 11 wins and 16 losses, not 11 wins out of 16 matches.]


  • Team USA
    • • Shane Van Boening (11 years -- 2007-2017) ..... 11-16 singles, 11-17 doubles, 4-7 teams, 26-40 total (winning percentage of 39%)

      • Corey Deuel (9 yrs. -- 2000-2002, 2006-2007, 2009-2010, 2014-2015) ..... 7-6 singles, 13-12 doubles, 2-0 trebles, 5-2 teams, 27-20 total (57%)

      • Skyler Woodward (3 years -- 2015-2017) ..... 0-4 singles, 3-6 doubles, 1-2 teams, 4-12 total (25%)

      • Billy Thorpe (1 yr. -- 2017) ..... 1-0 singles, 1-2 doubles, 0-1 teams, 2-3 total (40%)

      • Tyler Styer (0 years -- rookie)

      • Team USA Total ..... 19-26 singles, 28-37 doubles, 2-0 trebles, 10-12 teams, 59-75 total (44%)


    Team Europe
    • • Niels Feijen (12 yrs. -- 2001, 2004-2005, 2007-2009, 2011-2016) ..... 12-8 singles, 24-9 doubles, 5-4 teams, 41-21 total (66%)

      • Albin Ouschan (2 yrs. -- 2015-2016) ..... 3-0 singles, 5-1 doubles, 1-1 teams, 9-2 total (82%)

      • Jayson Shaw (2 yrs. -- 2016-2017) ..... 2-2 singles, 3-2 doubles, 2-0 teams, 7-4 total (64%)

      • Mario He (0 years -- rookie)

      • Eklent Kaçi (0 years -- rookie)

      • Team Europe Total ..... 17-10 singles, 32-12 doubles, 8-5 teams, 57-27 total (68%)


Method 2. Another way of looking at the records is to count a full point for each player in a singles win or loss, half a point for each player in a doubles win or loss, and one-fifth of a point for each player in a team win or loss. So the following numbers essentially answer the question: "What numerical contribution has each player made to the overall Mosconi Cup match scores?"


  • Team USA


    • • Van Boening (11 yrs.) ..... 11-16 singles, 5.5-8.5 doubles, 0.8-1.4 teams, 17.3-25.9 total (40%)

      • Corey Deuel (9 yrs.) ..... 7-6 singles, 6.5-6.0 doubles, 0.7-0 trebles, 0.9-0.4 teams, 15.1-12.4 total (55%)

      • Woodward (3 yrs.) ..... 0-4 singles, 1.5-3.0 doubles, 0.2-0.4 teams, 1.7-7.4 total (19%)

      • Thorpe (1 yr.) ..... 1-0 singles, 0.5-1.0 doubles, 0-0.2 teams, 1.5-1.2 total (56%)

      • Styer (0 years -- rookie)

      • Team USA Total ..... 19-26 singles, 14.0-18.5 doubles, 0.7-0 trebles, 1.9-2.4 teams, 35.6-46.9 total (43%)


    Team Europe
    • • Niels Feijen (12 yrs.) ..... 12-8 singles, 12-4.5 doubles, 1.0-0.8 teams, 25.0-13.3 total (65%)

      • Albin Ouschan (2 yrs.) ..... 3-0 singles, 2.5-0.5 doubles, 0.2-0.2 teams, 5.7-0.7 total (89%)

      • Jayson Shaw (2 yrs.) ..... 2-2 singles, 1.5-1.0 doubles, 0.4-0 teams, 3.9-3.0 total (57%)

      • Mario He (0 years -- rookie)

      • Eklent Kaçi (0 years -- rookie)

      • Team Europe Total ..... 17-10 singles, 16-6.0 doubles, 1.6-1.0 teams, 34.6-17.0 total (67%)


Nice work, again....

We need to start calling you Hal. :cool:
 

BRussell

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I looked up the Fargoratings of each player. It looks grim. There's only one US player that tops the LOWEST European player.



Shane____820
_________815___Shaw
_________805___Kaci
_________803___Feijen
_________800___Ouschan
Sky______786___He
Corey____780
Thorpe___763
Styer_____730
 

Bob Jewett

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I looked up the Fargoratings of each player. It looks grim. There's only one US player that tops the LOWEST European player.
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That can be extended by looking at the average rating on each side and the match probabilities for those theoretical "average" players, which turns out to be 60/40. Stick that back in to figure the race to 11 matches and you find that Team USA has about 1 chance in 6 to win the MC.

That's all if you believe in statistics and ratings and such. Some don't.
 
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garczar

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Vegas odds as of about 30min ago had U.S. as 7-to-4 dogs. That's pretty close to 2/1. U.S. team is paddlin' upstream no doubt.
 

skip100

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I looked up the Fargoratings of each player. It looks grim. There's only one US player that tops the LOWEST European player.

Shane____820
_________815___Shaw
_________805___Kaci
_________803___Feijen
_________800___Ouschan
Sky______786___He
Corey____780
Thorpe___763
Styer_____730
It's sure not looking good for the USA.

Even Europe's B team would be strongly favored:

Joshua Filler GER 808
Francisco Sanchez Ruiz ESP 799
Fedor Gorst RUS 796
Mark Gray GBR 792
Darren Appleton GBR 790

And its C team:

Alexander Kazakis GRE 790
Ralf Souquet GER 788
David Alcaide ESP 788
Wojciech Szewczyk POL 786
Mika Immonen FIN 785
 
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nine_ball6970

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I looked up the Fargoratings of each player. It looks grim. There's only one US player that tops the LOWEST European player.



Shane____820
_________815___Shaw
_________805___Kaci
_________803___Feijen
_________800___Ouschan
Sky______786___He
Corey____780
Thorpe___763
Styer_____730

And he has a 39% winning percentage in Mosconi play. :(

I haven't heard much about Styer. Will be interesting to see how well he does with a rating that much lower than the other players listed.
 

BRussell

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That can be extended by looking at the average rating on each side and the match probabilities for those theoretical "average" players, which turns out to be 60/40. Stick that back in to figure the race to 11 matches and you find that Team USA has about 1 chance 6 to win the MC.

That's all if you believe in statistics and ratings and such. Some don't.

Maybe we can comfort (?) ourselves by remembering this:

9DB45CD4-26BB-422E-B626-DFB468BFCB33.jpeg
 

skogstokig

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It's sure not looking good for the USA.

Even Europe's B team would be strongly favored:

Joshua Filler GER 808
Francisco Sanchez Ruiz ESP 799
Fedor Gorst RUS 796
Mark Gray GBR 792
Darren Appleton GBR 790

And its C team:

Alexander Kazakis GRE 790
Ralf Souquet GER 788
David Alcaide ESP 788
Wojciech Szewczyk POL 786
Mika Immonen FIN 785

Melling should be pretty high up too
 

RichSchultz

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Again this year, I am posting the career Mosconi-Cup records of this year's players. The combined records for each player were compiled from individual-year match results on Wikipedia and my own records.

Team USA will enter the event with a combined 24 years of Cup experience, with 83% of that in Van Boening and Deuel. Team Europe has 16 years of Cup experience, but 75% of that is in Feijen alone. Team USA has one rookie, and Team Europe has two.

Method 1. Under this method, I counted a full win or loss for each player in each match (i.e., not splitting the point into fifths for teams matches or halves for doubles matches). So these numbers essentially answer the question: "In how many winning and losing matches has each player been involved?" [A record like 11-16 means 11 wins and 16 losses, not 11 wins out of 16 matches.]


  • Team USA
    • • Shane Van Boening (11 years -- 2007-2017) ..... 11-16 singles, 11-17 doubles, 4-7 teams, 26-40 total (winning percentage of 39%)

      • Corey Deuel (9 yrs. -- 2000-2002, 2006-2007, 2009-2010, 2014-2015) ..... 7-6 singles, 13-12 doubles, 2-0 trebles, 5-2 teams, 27-20 total (57%)

      • Skyler Woodward (3 years -- 2015-2017) ..... 0-4 singles, 3-6 doubles, 1-2 teams, 4-12 total (25%)

      • Billy Thorpe (1 yr. -- 2017) ..... 1-0 singles, 1-2 doubles, 0-1 teams, 2-3 total (40%)

      • Tyler Styer (0 years -- rookie)

      • Team USA Total ..... 19-26 singles, 28-37 doubles, 2-0 trebles, 10-12 teams, 59-75 total (44%)


    Team Europe
    • • Niels Feijen (12 yrs. -- 2001, 2004-2005, 2007-2009, 2011-2016) ..... 12-8 singles, 24-9 doubles, 5-4 teams, 41-21 total (66%)

      • Albin Ouschan (2 yrs. -- 2015-2016) ..... 3-0 singles, 5-1 doubles, 1-1 teams, 9-2 total (82%)

      • Jayson Shaw (2 yrs. -- 2016-2017) ..... 2-2 singles, 3-2 doubles, 2-0 teams, 7-4 total (64%)

      • Mario He (0 years -- rookie)

      • Eklent Kaçi (0 years -- rookie)

      • Team Europe Total ..... 17-10 singles, 32-12 doubles, 8-5 teams, 57-27 total (68%)


Method 2. Another way of looking at the records is to count a full point for each player in a singles win or loss, half a point for each player in a doubles win or loss, and one-fifth of a point for each player in a team win or loss. So the following numbers essentially answer the question: "What numerical contribution has each player made to the overall Mosconi Cup match scores?"


  • Team USA


    • • Van Boening (11 yrs.) ..... 11-16 singles, 5.5-8.5 doubles, 0.8-1.4 teams, 17.3-25.9 total (40%)

      • Corey Deuel (9 yrs.) ..... 7-6 singles, 6.5-6.0 doubles, 0.7-0 trebles, 0.9-0.4 teams, 15.1-12.4 total (55%)

      • Woodward (3 yrs.) ..... 0-4 singles, 1.5-3.0 doubles, 0.2-0.4 teams, 1.7-7.4 total (19%)

      • Thorpe (1 yr.) ..... 1-0 singles, 0.5-1.0 doubles, 0-0.2 teams, 1.5-1.2 total (56%)

      • Styer (0 years -- rookie)

      • Team USA Total ..... 19-26 singles, 14.0-18.5 doubles, 0.7-0 trebles, 1.9-2.4 teams, 35.6-46.9 total (43%)


    Team Europe
    • • Niels Feijen (12 yrs.) ..... 12-8 singles, 12-4.5 doubles, 1.0-0.8 teams, 25.0-13.3 total (65%)

      • Albin Ouschan (2 yrs.) ..... 3-0 singles, 2.5-0.5 doubles, 0.2-0.2 teams, 5.7-0.7 total (89%)

      • Jayson Shaw (2 yrs.) ..... 2-2 singles, 1.5-1.0 doubles, 0.4-0 teams, 3.9-3.0 total (57%)

      • Mario He (0 years -- rookie)

      • Eklent Kaçi (0 years -- rookie)

      • Team Europe Total ..... 17-10 singles, 16-6.0 doubles, 1.6-1.0 teams, 34.6-17.0 total (67%)
How come your stats are different than what shows up on those profile pics of each player?
 

AtLarge

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How come your stats are different than what shows up on those profile pics of each player?

You mean the ones on the pics terryhanna posted? Same thing. E,g., for Sky terry put 3/9 33% for doubles, i.e. 3 wins in 9 matches. That's the same as the 3-6 wins and losses I show for him in doubles. I explained that in the brackets at the end of the Method 1 definition.
 

watchez

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It's sure not looking good for the USA.

Even Europe's B team would be strongly favored:

Joshua Filler GER 808
Francisco Sanchez Ruiz ESP 799
Fedor Gorst RUS 796
Mark Gray GBR 792
Darren Appleton GBR 790

And its C team:

Alexander Kazakis GRE 790
Ralf Souquet GER 788
David Alcaide ESP 788
Wojciech Szewczyk POL 786
Mika Immonen FIN 785

What about the US "B" Team if they had
Bergman and Dechaine and Oscar playing

Or the real US "A" Team if it was say
SVB
Bergman
Dechaine
Sky
Corey or Oscar
 

westcoast

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I know Bergman didn’t commit to the necessary steps to be on the team but I think team usa’s chances would be better if he were on the team.
 

AtLarge

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Post #1 has been updated to replace Mario He with Alex Kazakis.

[no change in the numbers]
 

sjm

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Wow, Europe looks like a strong side.

It can be argued that in the 2017 Mosconi,Team Europe's 3 top performers were Filler, Alcaide and Souquet. None of them are on Team Europe this year and yet, on paper, this year's team looks stronger than the last one.

... but the games aren't played on paper. I'm sure Team USA will prepare well, but this will be a tough assignment.
 

PoolRookie

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I’m impressed with Europe’s record but then I realize it’s races to 5. At that level short races are no more than a coin flip w/ Europe having maybe 51% to 49% advantage because of solid fundamentals and backing by their country.

Having said that I wonder what the records would look like in longer races let’s say 13 or 15. Yes I know it takes away from the excitement. Has anybody researched the American players records against ea player on the European team in other tournaments w longer races. Just curious
 
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