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I just posted a new video as part of my "Everything You Need to Know" series that demonstrates everything you need to know about how to identify, detect, and avoid fouls in pool. Here it is:


Topics covered (with YouTube time-stamp links) include:
- legal shot (0:21)
- double hit (3:26)
- double hit detection (5:10)
- double hit avoidance (6:57)
---- small-gap angled hit (7:01)
---- elevated cue (7:14)
---- inside vs. outside spin (7:40)
---- short bridge and stroke (8:22)
---- small-gap grip tighten (8:30)
---- highly elevated cue (8:43)
---- hand against the rail (9:08)
---- reverse stroke with cue resting on table (9:28)
---- frozen CB shots (9:52)
-------- twice-as-full aiming system (10:58)
---- elevated follow shot (11:42)
- wrong ball first (12:37)
---- watching CB motion (12:53)
---- watching OB motion (13:31)
---- 3-frozen-OB proposition (14:10)
- miscue fouls (15:59)
---- herding unsportsmanlike intentional miscue foul (16:47)
---- cue lift unsportsmanlike intentional miscue foul (17:15)
---- unsportsmanlike intentional miscue safety foul (17:38)
---- illegal "scoop" jump shot (17:55)
- push shot (18:37)
---- push past frozen ball proposition (19:37)
- Pool Rules Quiz (20:01)

Please let me know if you have any feedback, comments, or questions. Also let me know if you think I left out anything important.

I wish all league players could somehow be required to watch this video. If they did, there would probably be fewer misunderstandings, disagreements, and arguments. It always shocks me how little most league players (even many good players) know about this important stuff.

Enjoy,
Dave

PS: FYI, all of the rules and fouls in the video are based on the standard WPA World Standardized Rules (the "official rules of pool"). APA, BCAPL, and VNEA league rules deviate slightly, but not by much. A good summary of all important differences can be found here:


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10-31-2019, 08:11 AM

Awesome video! I agree this would save a lot of arguments. I cringe thinking of all the bar players and their goofy rules and "cheating" shots
  
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Awesome video!
Thanks.

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I agree this would save a lot of arguments. I cringe thinking of all the bar players and their goofy rules and "cheating" shots
It is not just "bar players" who sometimes have "goofy rules" and a lack of understanding of how to detect and prevent fouls.

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Please let me know if you have any feedback, comments, or questions. Also let me know if you think I left out anything important.

I wish all league players could somehow be required to watch this video. If they did, there would probably be fewer misunderstandings, disagreements, and arguments. It always shocks me how little most league players (even many good players) know about this important stuff.

Enjoy,
Dave
I've got a friend who is somewhat new to league pool rules. Do you have a few that stand out that people have paradigm shifting moment?

Trying to get him more aware and interested in the why and how.


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10-31-2019, 08:51 AM

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I've got a friend who is somewhat new to league pool rules. Do you have a few that stand out that people have paradigm shifting moment?

Trying to get him more aware and interested in the why and how.
I think the biggest paradigm-shifting learning points, for people who don't know this stuff already, are related to double hits:
- knowing to look for CB hesitation with a straight shot
- knowing to look for tangent-line motion with an angled shot
and with wrong-ball-first hits:
- knowing when to watch the CB vs. the OB, and knowing what to look for.

These points are demonstrated very well in the video here:

- double hit detection (5:10)
- wrong ball first (12:37)

Please spread the word to your friend and others.

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Great!!!! Thanks for the time index. This outta be a sticky. Good reference stuff.
  
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Great!!!!
Thank you.

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Thanks for the time index.
You're welcome. I aim to swerve.

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This outta be a sticky. Good reference stuff.
I agree. I will request that it be added.

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10-31-2019, 09:17 AM

Some bar bangers just cant, or won't change.
I played a new guy in Valley league. I fouled and told him he had ball-in-hand. He set the cue ball down in the kitchen. I stopped him and said "You have ball in hand anywhere on the table. He said I hate that rule and proceeded to hit out of the kitchen. He missed and I run the rest of my balls.

He just couldn't get this bar rule crap out of his head. He lasted about 1 session and I never seen him play league again.


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Some bar bangers just cant, or won't change.
I don't have any hope for these people, but I do have hope for the majority of league players who don't know this stuff but should. Some of them might actually want to know.

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I played a new guy in Valley league. I fouled and told him he had ball-in-hand. He set the cue ball down in the kitchen. I stopped him and said "You have ball in hand anywhere on the table. He said I hate that rule and proceeded to hit out of the kitchen. He missed and I run the rest of my balls.

He just couldn't get this bar rule crap out of his head. He lasted about 1 session and I never seen him play league again.
That's unfortunate, but it's his problem ... not yours.

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10-31-2019, 02:02 PM

While likely not relevant to pro tournament or league play, something I haven’t seen mentioned is the venerable ‘bar rule’ (?) about not using the 8 in a combination. The local club where I sometimes play has that rule posted, but it’s even expanded to include any carom shot that involves the 8. They also insist the 8 must go in ‘clean’ (no contact with any other ball). I found it surprising how many shots I would normally choose thus end up prohibited.
  
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10-31-2019, 02:25 PM

I just want to stop and say how much I love everything you do for pool. I've been taking it serious for a few years now and I still suck but I'm getting better every year. This wouldn't be the case if it weren't for your videos and tutorials.
  
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While likely not relevant to pro tournament or league play, something I haven’t seen mentioned is the venerable ‘bar rule’ (?) about not using the 8 in a combination.
Under the "official rules" of pool, anything goes if you hit a legal ball 1st and pocket the intended ball in the intended pocket. The 8 can be hit first when the table is open.

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The local club where I sometimes play has that rule posted, but it’s even expanded to include any carom shot that involves the 8. They also insist the 8 must go in ‘clean’ (no contact with any other ball). I found it surprising how many shots I would normally choose thus end up prohibited.
The problem with "bar rules" is they are different in every bar and in every part of the country, and they vary with the person you are playing, especially when the person has been drinking in the said bar. in other words, "bar rules" = "anything goes at the whim of the people playing."

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I just want to stop and say how much I love everything you do for pool.
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I've been taking it serious for a few years now and I still suck but I'm getting better every year. This wouldn't be the case if it weren't for your videos and tutorials.
I'm glad to hear it (except for the "still suck" part).

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This outta be a sticky.
Thanks again for suggesting this. The AZB Overlords just stickified it.

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I just posted a new video as part of my "Everything You Need to Know" series that demonstrates everything you need to know about how to identify, detect, and avoid fouls in pool. Here it is:


Topics covered (with YouTube time-stamp links) include:
- legal shot (0:21)
- double hit (3:26)
- double hit detection (5:10)
- double hit avoidance (6:57)
---- small-gap angled hit (7:01)
---- elevated cue (7:14)
---- inside vs. outside spin (7:40)
---- short bridge and stroke (8:22)
---- small-gap grip tighten (8:30)
---- highly elevated cue (8:43)
---- hand against the rail (9:08)
---- reverse stroke with cue resting on table (9:28)
---- frozen CB shots (9:52)
-------- twice-as-full aiming system (10:58)
---- elevated follow shot (11:42)
- wrong ball first (12:37)
---- watching CB motion (12:53)
---- watching OB motion (13:31)
---- 3-frozen-OB proposition (14:10)
- miscue fouls (15:59)
---- herding unsportsmanlike intentional miscue foul (16:47)
---- cue lift unsportsmanlike intentional miscue foul (17:15)
---- unsportsmanlike intentional miscue safety foul (17:38)
---- illegal "scoop" jump shot (17:55)
- push shot (18:37)
---- push past frozen ball proposition (19:37)
- Pool Rules Quiz (20:01)

Please let me know if you have any feedback, comments, or questions. Also let me know if you think I left out anything important.

I wish all league players could somehow be required to watch this video. If they did, there would probably be fewer misunderstandings, disagreements, and arguments. It always shocks me how little most league players (even many good players) know about this important stuff.
FYI, all of the rules and fouls in the video are based on the standard WPA World Standardized Rules (the "official rules of pool"). APA, BCAPL, and VNEA league rules deviate slightly, but not by much. A good summary of all important differences can be found here:

  
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