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09-06-2013, 03:55 AM

I liked the concept of the green fees. Carrying all the tokens around the RIO would have been a killer..... LOL.

We have discussed this locally between most of our local players that attend. Most felt the cost of green fees if you enter multiple events was just too high. I know as the teams were arriving it was difficult to find tables to practice on. NOTE: that part did allow us to match up with other teams (in particular Canadian).

Anyway I hope they look at a multi-event green fee discount for next year!!!!!!


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Better than Riv - 10-07-2013, 12:31 PM

If you were willing to get there early or after hours it was wide open. I know I would have burned through way more in tokens than the $35 I paid. Hell, I went down at 2 one night and had the whole place to myself. I didnt like the 7 foot Diamonds that well but the equipment was far superior to the crap Valleys at the Riv.


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So will this thread keep going like the ever ready bunny until 2014, or will people wake up, and kiss off what they do not like, and boycott the 2014 event?
  
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So will this thread keep going like the ever ready bunny until 2014, or will people wake up, and kiss off what they do not like, and boycott the 2014 event?
Bruce,

You are way off base on this one. In general the vast majority (including me) think the green fees were somewhat high, not excessive. Not having to carry large coins around and all the tables being open 24/7 was a high point of the event not a low point. There were no "door police" so you could bring in outside food and beverage. A big, big improvement over past years at the Riv.

Now why would you want to boycott an event like this? CSI does a great job of giving thousands of amateur players like me a series of great events to play in. Yes, there were problems. Every event has them. Free entry into the pro event area was a plus. Parking was fine. Food and alcoholic beverages were expensive but the Gold Coast was a five minute walk away.

From the tone of your comment, my best guess is you didn't attended the Rio event. If so, continue to personally boycott the event. CSI probably won't miss you. I'm already qualified and have airline reservations for next year in July.

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If you were willing to get there early or after hours it was wide open. I know I would have burned through way more in tokens than the $35 I paid. Hell, I went down at 2 one night and had the whole place to myself. I didnt like the 7 foot Diamonds that well but the equipment was far superior to the crap Valleys at the Riv.
When did the BCA Nationals have Valleys at the Riviera?

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Until Mark Griffin was kind enough to buy the BCA pool leagues from the BCA, they played all their National events on Valleys. The tables were provided by High Country Promotions from Colorado. They did BCA and VNEA. Actually, APA played on Diamonds till that happened. I've played BCA pool league events for nearly twenty years. The biggest change in all that time was the switch to Diamond seven footers. Wow!!!!

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Until Mark Griffin was kind enough to buy the BCA pool leagues from the BCA, they played all their National events on Valleys. The tables were provided by High Country Promotions from Colorado. They did BCA and VNEA. Actually, APA played on Diamonds till that happened. I've played BCA pool league events for nearly twenty years. The biggest change in all that time was the switch to Diamond seven footers. Wow!!!!

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Well yeah, OK. The post I responded to led me to believe he was talking recently.
I love the fact that cardiac had my back but I have to confess. I was referencing APA on Valleys at the RIv. Again, I dont like Diamond 7 footers (rails too strong) but I will take them with the simonis all day over the valleys with the hood ornament corner covers and incosistent rolls. Also, I still think that $35 to play on Diamonds 24/7, with your own food and drinks. No brainer. I think I played 15+ hours of pool cumulatively outside of the matches so that is a steal.


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Bruce,

You are way off base on this one. In general the vast majority (including me) think the green fees were somewhat high, not excessive. Not having to carry large coins around and all the tables being open 24/7 was a high point of the event not a low point. There were no "door police" so you could bring in outside food and beverage. A big, big improvement over past years at the Riv.

Now why would you want to boycott an event like this? CSI does a great job of giving thousands of amateur players like me a series of great events to play in. Yes, there were problems. Every event has them. Free entry into the pro event area was a plus. Parking was fine. Food and alcoholic beverages were expensive but the Gold Coast was a five minute walk away.

From the tone of your comment, my best guess is you didn't attended the Rio event. If so, continue to personally boycott the event. CSI probably won't miss you. I'm already qualified and have airline reservations for next year in July.

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About 3-4 years ago I had what I will call a bad situation in a sports bar I use to go to twice a month for a tournament. I made my case to the TD about a drunk who was constantly being verbally abusive, and using his outburst as a form of sharking. The TD informed me the guy bought a lot of drinks, and was a personal friend of the owner.

I have not been back to that sports bar in over 4 years, as I had a problem. The problem was not resolved, so I spoke with my dollars.

I am sure they did not miss this only bi weekly players income from a few soft drinks, but I resolved the situation myself by not going to that sports bar any longer.

Call it a boycott or what you want but I made a promise to myself never ever to spend any money in that establishment.

As for the going to Las Vegas it has been 4, or 5 years since I was up in Las Vegas, and never had any desire to play in the BCAPL, or CSI Event. Did go up a could of years just to watch the BCAPL.

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The last time the BCAPL Nationals used Valley tables was in 2005. Diamonds have been in use since then. As I recall, the pockets on the Valley tables were enormous. Same for the Diamonds in 2006. It wasn't until 2007 that they started tightening up the pockets.
Someone with more knowledge than I can weigh in and correct me but we also experienced Diamond tables at the Texas State Championships around 2005. My understanding is that the APA had made an arrangement with Diamond to produce tables with bigger pockets for their league and then (Whatever reason i'm not sure) backed out. The people that do tourneys using Diamonds had these APA specification tables for use so that's why there was a big difference on some of the tournaments using Diamonds 7 or 8 years ago
  
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Someone with more knowledge than I can weigh in and correct me but we also experienced Diamond tables at the Texas State Championships around 2005. My understanding is that the APA had made an arrangement with Diamond to produce tables with bigger pockets for their league and then (Whatever reason i'm not sure) backed out. The people that do tourneys using Diamonds had these APA specification tables for use so that's why there was a big difference on some of the tournaments using Diamonds 7 or 8 years ago
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Pissed off when I got there, nothing was ready, Mark was running around with his head cut off. Got plenty of practice in during the 12 days I was there. Bad Boy did an excellent job w minis. Rio was expensive but the Riv is ghetto. I was on vacation playing pool, so there are expenses! Way nicer crowd, venue and tourney. In the end, Mark and staff did awesome job with the delay they were dealt. Sucked ass in singles, my BCA team can barely win locals. Made good money in minis met some great people. Played pool for 12 days str8 til I couldnt see. My new BCA team this year will cash. I will cash in singles and I will spend 2x as much as the Riv. Ill just have to have 2x as much fun! Keep the freaking lights on and GTF out poker players. lol.


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01-03-2014, 11:10 AM

Think the nice folks at the poker tournament failed to vacate the last ball room on time. Also saw Mark running around looking both for solutions and the people to fix the problems. Other than the power going out during the storm, this was the best BCAPL event I've attended over the 20 or so years I've attended.

Just looked at the ACS website. Their national event is going to green fees as well. Only the APA requires you to pay dollars for practice time now. Look forward to meeting you at this years event. Just look for the really old guy with the cane and very dark sun glasses .

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