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Why do Pro's aim at the bottom of the cue ball - 08-02-2019, 06:08 PM

I have noticed that most pro players seem to aim and do their practice strokes and the bottom of the cue ball. Whether they are drawing the ball or following or what not.
Why? I always do my practice strokes exactly where I plan on striking the cue ball?
  
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08-03-2019, 02:47 AM

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I have noticed that most pro players seem to aim and do their practice strokes and the bottom of the cue ball. Whether they are drawing the ball or following or what not.
Why? I always do my practice strokes exactly where I plan on striking the cue ball?
This thread may help to answer your question.

https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=302087

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08-03-2019, 08:07 AM

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I have noticed that most pro players seem to aim and do their practice strokes and the bottom of the cue ball. Whether they are drawing the ball or following or what not.
Why? I always do my practice strokes exactly where I plan on striking the cue ball?
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This thread may help to answer your question.

https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=302087

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That old thread's about aiming at the bottom edge of the object ball.

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08-03-2019, 09:05 AM

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I have noticed that most pro players seem to aim and do their practice strokes and the bottom of the cue ball. Whether they are drawing the ball or following or what not.
Why? I always do my practice strokes exactly where I plan on striking the cue ball?
the bottom of the cue ball is the base of the vertical axis
when they want no spin they can start there and go up
  
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08-03-2019, 09:08 AM

So the amateurs canít copy where they are hitting
  
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08-03-2019, 10:18 AM

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I have noticed that most pro players seem to aim and do their practice strokes and the bottom of the cue ball.
Only Pool players do that, and we can hardly call them "pros" compared against current Snooker and 3 cushion players haha.
  
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08-03-2019, 02:02 PM

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Only Pool players do that, and we can hardly call them "pros" compared against current Snooker and 3 cushion players haha.
Some very good snooker players aim at the base of the cue ball on all shots.
Where the cue ball "appears" to touch the table is the vertical center.
It makes aiming easier for some players, my snooker coach did this on every shot with amazing accuracy.
Players have asked me why I put draw on every shot, of course I don't but it does look like I do.
  
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08-04-2019, 04:29 PM

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I have noticed that most pro players seem to aim and do their practice strokes and the bottom of the cue ball. Whether they are drawing the ball or following or what not.
Why? I always do my practice strokes exactly where I plan on striking the cue ball?
Probably the best explanations comes from snooker.
https://youtu.be/e9SlvoKziH0

Del Hill has more.
https://youtu.be/1n53CGDi-JM

Basically the premise is that due to the rail height and issues with needing clearance for the grip hand to avoid hitting the table edge, a level cue concept is crap. Even if you donít have to deal with the rail the idea of a level cue doesnít make sense. To maintain a level cue regardless of whether you use a pendulum stroke or not, the elbow must drop on the backswing. If the elbow doesnít drop on the backswing the hand rises and the cue butt with it. When the butt is raised the tip drops. The cue must have a downward incline towards the table in the backswing. As the tip approaches contact it approaches level through contact.

Ronnie OíSullivan and Stephen Lee talk about cueing through the ball on a downwards arc except on extreme high follow shots. They both talk about the resistance of the downward contact creating a feeling of getting bite on the ball. A downward plane even on an above center shot needs to overcome table resistance before forward spin takes hold. That resistance translates into a feeling of prolonged contact of the tip on the ball.
  
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08-04-2019, 08:59 PM

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I have noticed that most pro players seem to aim and do their practice strokes and the bottom of the cue ball. Whether they are drawing the ball or following or what not.
Why? I always do my practice strokes exactly where I plan on striking the cue ball?
I think their doing it because you get a better visual with the shaft lower on the cb on the shot. Maybe.


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08-05-2019, 08:03 AM

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Hitting the base of the CB, players can hit stop shot speeds on the OB.

Any amount of CB side spin makes pocketing the OB harder. If the CB
Is sliding, sidespin is minimized. Stop shots can be hit harder or softer
depending on how far your CB must travel a OB tangent line for shape.

All shots can't be hit at stopshot speed, but many that aren't should be.


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08-06-2019, 03:36 AM

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I think their doing it because you get a better visual with the shaft lower on the cb on the shot. Maybe.
I know a couple of players that cue low on every shot regardless of how they plan to strike the cb. One cues center low, the other off to the side like Bustamonte. Both have said it allows them a less obstructed view of the shot with the shaft out of the way.


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08-06-2019, 04:32 AM

If I remember correctly, it's called "grounding" the tip. You line up with your pre-shot routine grounded at the center of the cueball for an unobstructed view of your shot & object ball. You have to have a good stroke to ground your pre-shot routine, because you have to shift to your aim point when you execute the shot.


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Why do they aim at the base of the ball..?? - 08-07-2019, 06:12 PM

Maybe it's because they've found that it helps them make the shots better that way.
  
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09-06-2019, 01:11 PM

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If I remember correctly, it's called "grounding" the tip. You line up with your pre-shot routine grounded at the center of the cueball for an unobstructed view of your shot & object ball. You have to have a good stroke to ground your pre-shot routine, because you have to shift to your aim point when you execute the shot.
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I watched an old ESPN video of Jose Parica once.
They were wondering why Jose was doing that.
They said you are prone to scratching in doing that.

A decade plus later ( of that event ) when I went to the Commerce Casino to watch them play.
Just about everyone did that .
Coltrain dragged his tip on the felt often.



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09-25-2019, 01:46 PM

I don't know why they do it but I've noticed people who do it always beat me.
  
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