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09-29-2019, 04:54 PM

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Any teacher/writer who ballyhoos this on his published work is an arrogant liar or a complete fool or maybe both.
Doesn't matter WHAT the system is for aiming.....everybody is going to miss balls. (or you can call it "miss shots"...same damn thing)
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Sorry, this coming from someone who says the system he uses takes care of deflection and CIT.


  
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09-29-2019, 04:55 PM

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Here it is so people can actual see what it really says. I happen to believe that if you "Master the art of aiming" you can certainly reach a level of play where you "never miss another ball". That's not a lie, it's a belief. Reaching a high level of play requires such a belief. Sure, even the greatest pro pool players miss a shot occasionally, though very rarely. I'm not talking about low percentage shots, but standard shots that they have 100% confidence in pocketing. The reason they can pocket 99.999% of these shots is because they believe they can, a belief that was backed up through thousands of hours of quality practice and experience. You can never master anything if you don't set a goal and then proceed with the belief that you can achieve that goal.

The better question is, does the book weigh close to 5 lbs ?


  
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09-29-2019, 05:48 PM

I'm just curious as to what this massive thing is going to cost and how, at the advertised size, the average player is supposed to digest it all and successfully take it to the table and execute.

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09-29-2019, 05:50 PM

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I respect you and your system, but whether or not you meant this literally, that's how it reads - and that's demonstrably false.

Let those who don't understand what's possible mislead the idiots - you don't need to. Your system is demonstrably true and effective, and that's all the hyperbole you need.

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So you don't believe the brain is capable of mastering the task of pocketing pool balls? There is absolutely nothing misleading with my statement, "Master the art of aiming and never miss another ball." Most pro players will admit that they haven't mastered the game, but that doesn't mean it isn't possible. They just haven't been able to it. And for those who believe it isn't possible, well, they will never be able to do it.

I know there are more elements of the game to master than just pocketing balls. Becoming a champion player requires multilevel mastering. But any player that masters aiming, meaning they can look at the cb-ob relationship and immediately know exactly where the cb needs to be in order to pocket the ob, and know they have the skill to deliver the cb to that location with consistent precision, they will likely never miss an open shot again, unless it's a shot that they don't know or aren't confident about shooting.

One can reach a mastery level of aiming within certain boundaries, like mastering straight in shots, or mastering every cut shot from straight in to a 60° cut. Once this is mastered, the player can begin working on mastering thinner cuts. By understanding your limitations, your current level of mastery, and pushing the limits to reach higher levels of mastery, you will find yourself missing fewer and fewer shots. This is the power of learning, of programming/developing your brain for excellence. But it will never be successful for those who don't believe they can reach excellence, because these people are of the "fixed" mindset. They believe they can only get so good and that's it because no one has mastered it. But there is no limit. Those with open mindsets and dedication to quality practice can become masters. They master musical instruments, chess, tennis, golf, pool, etc... and others say stupid things like, "They were born to do what they do."

The road to mediocre is quite easy -- just tell yourself the lie that mastering anything is impossible. Millions do it every day while a hardworking few go on to dispel the lie and become worldclass athletes or musicians or whatever.


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09-29-2019, 05:51 PM

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The better question is, does the book weigh close to 5 lbs ?
Lol. Nope.


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09-29-2019, 06:19 PM

“Master the art of aiming and never miss another ball” is totally misleading. It is one of those statements you hear on shopping networks.

You can master aiming, but suck at execution.

You can hit the pocket with the right aiming but too much OB speed and it rattles out.

You can miscue......but aim perfectly.

You can misjudge spin effect......but aim perfectly.

That statement is nothing more than a marketing statement made to entice someone to buy it.
  
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09-29-2019, 10:38 PM

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“Master the art of aiming and never miss another ball” is totally misleading. It is one of those statements you hear on shopping networks.

You can master aiming, but suck at execution.

You can hit the pocket with the right aiming but too much OB speed and it rattles out.

You can miscue......but aim perfectly.

You can misjudge spin effect......but aim perfectly.

That statement is nothing more than a marketing statement made to entice someone to buy it.
Maybe it's time for all you gurus out there to submit your definition of "aiming."

Oh, don't bother, none will be as close to the truth as Brian's.

C'mon, Duckie, you know damn good and well that execution is part of aiming. And that's just part of it. If you miscue, you weren't aiming correctly. But wait, there's more.

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09-29-2019, 11:23 PM

Aiming doesn't take place in a freakin' VACUUM. The second you pocket a ball, you're already preparing for the next shot. That's aiming. The second the cue ball stops rolling, you're aiming. It doesn't matter where you are, you're aiming. Either that or you head is buried in some bigtitchix blouse, in which case you shouldn't be playing pool at all. Everything we do MUST be designed to make the next 9(or more)balls go in the hole. Aiming is not separable. It is not divisible. It's the whole goddam dance. Jeez.
  
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“Master the art of aiming and never miss another ball” is totally misleading. It is one of those statements you hear on shopping networks.

You can master aiming, but suck at execution.

You can hit the pocket with the right aiming but too much OB speed and it rattles out.

You can miscue......but aim perfectly.

You can misjudge spin effect......but aim perfectly.

That statement is nothing more than a marketing statement made to entice someone to buy it.
If you "suck at execution", or "misjudge spin effect", or "miscue", then you surely haven't mastered the art of aiming. Mastering any art involves mastering every element that comprises that art. A grand master chess player doesn't master the game of chess without mastering every piece in every possible position. A worldclass master violinist doesn't master the violin until every motion of the arms, fingers, and bow is mastered, and the feel of the chin rest, the strings and the fingerboard is mastered. Only then can they play at a master level.

Pool should be no different. Treated like an art, aiming is comprised of more elements than simply knowing where the cb needs to be. Mastering aiming involves mastering mental focus, spin, throw, squirt, speed, feel, cb hit, etc...

You believe it's impossible to master these things. I disagree. The potential of human capability when it comes to developing talent and skill is quite amazing. Athletes today compete at levels thought impossible a few decades ago. There have been great advancements in the understanding of how we learn complicated skills, and how those skills become ingrained/automatic after enough quality practice/experience.

There are pro pool players who rarely miss shots. I'm talking about missing 1 open shot for every hundred or so. I'd call that a mastery level of pocketing balls.

Anyway, most people aren't as stupid as you think. I mean, "Master the art of aiming and never miss another ball" is a real possibility for those who set that as a goal, and it doesn't mean the same to you as it does to me or perhaps to someone else. Most players would love to play for several hours without missing any shots. This is quite possible in competition if you know your current limitations and play within the realm of shots you've already mastered, never shooting a shot you aren't 100% confident with. Shoot the shots you know, the shots you've learned, and practice what you want to learn.


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Aiming doesn't take place in a freakin' VACUUM. The second you pocket a ball, you're already preparing for the next shot. That's aiming. The second the cue ball stops rolling, you're aiming. It doesn't matter where you are, you're aiming. Either that or you head is buried in some bigtitchix blouse, in which case you shouldn't be playing pool at all. Everything we do MUST be designed to make the next 9(or more)balls go in the hole. Aiming is not separable. It is not divisible. It's the whole goddam dance. Jeez.
I agree!! And if you string 4 racks together, then you played without missing a ball. If you can do it once, you can do it all the time. It's all about mastering every move in the dance.


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09-29-2019, 11:59 PM

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So you don't believe the brain is capable of mastering the task of pocketing pool balls?
I don’t believe it’s possible to “never miss another ball”.

Neither do you.

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If you "suck at execution", or "misjudge spin effect", or "miscue", then you surely haven't mastered the art of aiming. Mastering any art involves mastering every element that comprises that art. A grand master chess player doesn't master the game of chess without mastering every piece in every possible position. A worldclass master violinist doesn't master the violin until every motion of the arms, fingers, and bow is mastered, and the feel of the chin rest, the strings and the fingerboard is mastered. Only then can they play at a master level.

Pool should be no different. Treated like an art, aiming is comprised of more elements than simply knowing where the cb needs to be. Mastering aiming involves mastering mental focus, spin, throw, squirt, speed, feel, cb hit, etc...

You believe it's impossible to master these things. I disagree. The potential of human capability when it comes to developing talent and skill is quite amazing. Athletes today compete at levels thought impossible a few decades ago. There have been great advancements in the understanding of how we learn complicated skills, and how those skills become ingrained/automatic after enough quality practice/experience.

There are pro pool players who rarely miss shots. I'm talking about missing 1 open shot for every hundred or so. I'd call that a mastery level of pocketing balls.

Anyway, most people aren't as stupid as you think. I mean, "Master the art of aiming and never miss another ball" is a real possibility for those who set that as a goal, and it doesn't mean the same to you as it does to me or perhaps to someone else. Most players would love to play for several hours without missing any shots. This is quite possible in competition if you know your current limitations and play within the realm of shots you've already mastered, never shooting a shot you aren't 100% confident with. Shoot the shots you know, the shots you've learned, and practice what you want to learn.

It all goes to definition. Aiming is not monolithic. It is not singular. Aiming is ubiquitous.

What's really wonderful about this whole mess is that aiming doesn't have to be perfect. Why, you ask? Because in pool, all you have to do is win and if you're perfect, you'll scare off all the suckers. Oh, yeah, who are the suckers? They're the dudes crowing about CTE.
  
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I'm just curious as to what this massive thing is going to cost and how, at the advertised size, the average player is supposed to digest it all and successfully take it to the table and execute.

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Actually The Truth Series will come out on youtube at about the same time. Watch that and only buy the book if you like. The average player will have no problems with the material. I'm sure the few average players already on here will though, they have too much time invested against CTE to ever change there minds.
  
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It all goes to definition. Aiming is not monolithic. It is not singular. Aiming is ubiquitous.

What's really wonderful about this whole mess is that aiming doesn't have to be perfect. Why, you ask? Because in pool, all you have to do is win and if you're perfect, you'll scare off all the suckers. Oh, yeah, who are the suckers? They're the dudes crowing about CTE.
The suckers are people like you who constantly post about things you know nothing about.
  
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I don’t believe it’s possible to “never miss another ball”.

Neither do you.

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I do believe it. Read a few books about the power of the brain, about learning, mastering skills, developing talent. Don't assume that since you haven't mastered anything no one else can ever master it either. I have always been a believer in human potential. But thanks for telling me what I don't believe. Lol

Let's say you can ride a bicycle, been riding for 30+ years. You feel very comfortable and confident in your riding abilities and automatically know what to do in various situations without having to think about each action. This is implicit memory, subconscious, automatic action. Research has shown that it takes nearly 10,000 hours of practice to master a complex skill to the point of having it ingrained into implicit memory. I'm not saying riding a bike is a complex skill, just using this as an example. As long as you stick to what you are 100% capable of doing, the basics that you have mastered, you do an excellent job on the bike, feel confident, have no crashes. If you venture outside your current skill level then trouble may arise because you are riding into unmastered skill territory. Skills that will require conscious control of each action you've learned (explicit memory). If you can't ride a willie or jump 15 feet going 30+mph downhill, then you certainly won't be attempting to ride a mile long willie or jump into a high speed downhill ride through mountainous terrain. By being smart enough to perform within the skills you've mastered, you avoid disaster. Little by little, with practice, you can broaden your level of mastery to include more challenging feats.

When playing pool we take a chance on missing shots anytime we guess or estimate what needs to be done with the cb in order to pocket the ob. We venture outside the limitations of our current abilities by doing what we THINK needs to happen vs doing what we KNOW needs to happen. When we consciously focus on each movement we are not playing via implicit memory. We are trying too hard and therefore make mistakes. Pro players have invested the quality practice time required to master various aspects of the game. Shot execution becomes automatic, implicit. Most pool players never put in the table time required to master any part of the game to such a high degree, but pros are proof that hard work makes it possible to master the elements needed to compete at a very high level. And the fact that there are varying degrees of pro level performance tells us that there is always room for improvement. The best of the best miss an open shot so rarely that it can be considered a fluke when it happens. It's not proof that never missing a ball is outside the realm of possibility.

As an extreme example, let's say you never miss a shot within a foot of the pocket. Theoretically you can play without ever missing a shot because you simply don't attempt to pocket a ball unless it's within a foot from a pocket. No exceptions -- any shot that doesn't fall within this small window of shots you've mastered you simply avoid, opting for a safety instead. You can broaden this window of mastered shots over time, always playing within your current limitations, never missing an open shot.

If pool table pockets were a foot wide then most of us would never miss a shot. If they were 6" wide then pros would never miss an open shot. This is enough to conclude that it's possible, with practice, to never miss an open shot on standard 4.5" pockets also. But you can believe your way (fixed limitations) and I'll believe mine (open limitations).


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