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10-26-2019, 05:56 PM

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Just in case we forget what this thread is about.

He has some really good information on his channel which can be used for pool or snooker, I have watched a lot of his material.
I agree. Those snooker vids are great for pool players too. However, the fractional aiming he shows is old school trial and error that takes quite a bit of experience before you develop consistency.


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That's because it provides a consistent approach/PSR for every shot.
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10-26-2019, 07:48 PM

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I know when I tell someone, "Aim right here", then point to a spot on the rail or a spot on the ob, they usually have no trouble sending the cb straight to that spot. That's the usefulness of Poolology. But it does involve some thinking, so it's definitely not for everyone.
Ever run into someone right eye dominate but lining up with the left eye, they ain't sending the cb to the proper spot.
  
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10-27-2019, 08:38 AM

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I don't know... Being able to deliver the cue straight through the cb is a different skill than being able to aim or align the cb to where it needs to be in order to the pocket the ball.

Once a player is able to deliver the cue properly it becomes easier to learn how to aim, as long as the player pays attention to where he is aiming and where the ob goes as a result. With ghostball or traditional fractions or contact points, or about any other method that requires guestimation or trial and error, it'll take few hundred or a few thousand hours of practice before he reaches a level of just knowing the shots as soon as he them.
Tor Lowry recommends shooting certain shots some 30 times in a row to make it " automatic ".

Delivering the cue properly takes hundreds and hundreds of practice shots.
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Ever run into someone right eye dominate but lining up with the left eye, they ain't sending the cb to the proper spot.
No, but probably because I never thought of eye dominance as a potential problem until after joining AZB and reading a few threads on the matter. Still, it's not all that common. Eventually, after enough hits and misses, the brain begins to autocorrect the perception it builds from the images provided by the eyes.

Regardless of which aiming method a player might be struggling with, after enough trial and error they will eventually become more in tune with their alignment, with knowing/feeling that their grip hand and bridge hand are guiding the cue along the proper line that sends the cb to where it needs to be.

This applies to CTE players also, meaning that once you understand the visuals, you must have the ability to properly align your cue half a tip from that ccb perception or the pivot to ccb will not put you on the shot line. Or for pro1 you must have the ability to know/feel exactly where your cue is aligned in order to accurately sweep to the proper shot line. As with fractions or ghostball or contact points or whatever, a player will not pocket balls consistently if he or she doesn't know/feel exactly what line their cue is on when stroking through the cb.


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Tor Lowry recommends shooting certain shots some 30 times in a row to make it " automatic ".

Delivering the cue properly takes hundreds and hundreds of practice shots.
People shouldn't even mess with aiming systems till they shoot consistently straight.
Tor Lowry is awesome. But I guarantee you he doesn't simply mean that shooting any particular shot 30 times is all you need in order to make it automatic every time the shot comes up. That's just not how the brain works. Shooting it 30 times every day for a month is more realistic in order to make it automatic, as long as you successfully pocket it 90% of the time or better.

Let's say one player is 50/50 on a particular shot, consistently makes it 15 out of 30 times. Now let's say on the same shot you are 80%, making it 24 or 25 times out of 30 most of the time. If both of you practice this one shot everyday, diligently, shooting it 30 times a day until you are pocketing it 27 to 30 times in a row everyday, it will likely take the 50/50 player many more days to reach a level of automatically knowing the shot, when compared to you who can already hit it 24 to 25 times. So there's no way that simply shooting a shot 30 times is going to magically make that shot automatic -- it takes successful repetition to make it happen.

I agree with the bold statement, depending on the aiming system. If the system is objective, free of any guesswork, it could really help the player develop a consistent stroke much quicker. Example: Place an ob 2 diamonds from the end rail and 1 diamond from the side rail. Place the cb 1 diamond out from the side pocket, same side rail as the ob. This is a dead 1/2 ball shot to the corner. Explain to the player that he must aim his cue through center cb so that his tip would split the edge of the ob if his stroke could follow through that far. Shoot a normal medium speed, not soft or hard. If he can pocket this 10 or more times in a row then his stroke is fairly consistent within the margin of error for this shot.

Now move the ob to the center table spot and the cb to the head spot. This is also a 1/2 ball shot. From here the margin for error is much smaller. If the player struggles with this shot, begins to rattle the ball more, then he knows 100% that he has a stroke issue. The aim point hasn't changed. We only tightened up the margin for error, and his stroke isn't consistent enough to deliver the cb accurately within this tolerance. If he were to just set up a shot that he wasn't 100% sure about as far as aiming, then there would be 2 possible causes for inconsistency -- fault in the stroke or fault in aiming.

If the stroke is consistent and accurate, then aiming comes quicker because you already know your stroke can deliver. You just have to align it properly. By the same logic, if your aim is consistent, meaning you know exactly where you are aiming everytime -- no inconsistent guesswork -- then any misses can be attributed to an inconsistent stroke or alignment issue.


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No, but probably because I never thought of eye dominance as a potential problem until after joining AZB and reading a few threads on the matter. Still, it's not all that common. Eventually, after enough hits and misses, the brain begins to autocorrect the perception it builds from the images provided by the eyes.

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More likely the brain will start making the player steer the cue to the proper shot line. Think body english, lots of players coming up have this problem.
  
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This applies to CTE players also, meaning that once you understand the visuals, you must have the ability to properly align your cue half a tip from that ccb perception or the pivot to ccb will not put you on the shot line. Or for pro1 you must have the ability to know/feel exactly where your cue is aligned in order to accurately sweep to the proper shot line. .
Can you personally run a rack of balls with CTE?
  
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Can you personally run a rack of balls with CTE?
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When Brian BC-21 says it also applies to CTE, those are the fake versions known as just CTE, and he is exactly right.
But, it does not apply to CTE PRO ONE.
Brian, being an uninformed pup, cannot know whether it applies or not because he simply can NOT explain the CTE known as CTE PRO ONE.
All he can do is beat around the bush pushing his narrative with his spin. He should stick with his Poolology which is much safer ground for the uninformed.
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Brian ... simply can NOT explain the CTE known as CTE PRO ONE.
Maybe that's because it's "from another dimension"...?

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Let's ask him to explain it.
I bet he can't either.
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More likely the brain will start making the player steer the cue to the proper shot line. Think body english, lots of players coming up have this problem.
First off, I was not referring to CTE perceptions. I was talking about the basic function of how the brain processes vision, how it uses data from the eyes to build a perception of what we are looking at, whether it's a sunset reflecting over an ocean wave or a cb-ob relationship on a pool table.

Ok, on to steering... Steering causes poor results, so the player will realize something is wrong. Body english doesn't work. Steering doesn't work.

When it comes to learning, the brain likes to make sense of things, likes to make things work. But without consistent and repetitive results the brain develops no synaptic connections, which means it can't learn what you are trying to do. You have to develop consistent visualizations and a consistent stroke or your brain won't be getting enough consistent information to make sense out of what is going on. If it can't make sense out of it, then it sure won't be able to make any fine autocorrections.


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Can you personally run a rack of balls with CTE?
Whether or not I can run a rack of balls using CTE has nothing to do with the fact that every person that plays pool must develop the ability to know/feel that their cue is lined up where they think it is. It doesn't matter if they are lining straight through ccb to a point on the ob, or to center ghostball, or parallel to the contact point, or half a tip left or right of a 'fixed" ccb as seen from a CTE perception, or if they are "sweeping" from left or right of the perception to the shot line. Without the ability of knowing/feeling that your cue is lined up correctly, in accordance with what you see, then you can never be a pool player, not a decent one anyway. It would be like trying to play tennis without the ability of knowing/feeling that the racquet is at the appropriate angle for any given shot.

Can I run a rack using CTE?? Absolutely not. But I can use it to shoot every shot Stan sets up in about all of his videos, especially the curtain videos because there are no more than 5 or 6 angles being used. Anyway, me not being able to run a rack using CTE says more about my unwillingness to practice the method for months until I can make it work for more than a handful of angles than it says about my understanding of the system.

I can run a rack using Pro1. I know the visuals, understand the concept of the perceptions, and I have enough experience to recognize when my cue is on the shot line. So I could easily "sweep" from a left or right offset to arrive on the shot line, but I know the sweep won't always be initiated from an exact half tip offset. That would make it as limiting as the manual pivots. My sweeps would be based on what looks right, not based on an exact/objective half-tip offset.

Let's wait on that book so others will get the full scoop from Stan himself. Hopefully more players can benefit from the latest Pro1, compared to the manual CTE method from so many years ago.


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"Let's wait on that book so others will get the full scoop from Stan himself."

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