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11-19-2019, 09:05 AM

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FYI, Tim Chin just posted a video of the shot, using a steeper angle to help avoid the double kiss.

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Nicely done by Tim, although the CB's path isn't as curvy as he drew it - it goes crosstable in a pretty straight line.

I guess the steeper angle moves the banked ball out of the way faster - looks like you were onto it, Dave!

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11-19-2019, 09:59 AM

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FYI, Tim Chin just posted a video of the shot, using a steeper angle to help avoid the double kiss.

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Nice. For reference, he is shooting from the third diamond or a little higher.


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11-19-2019, 10:01 AM

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Nicely done by Tim, although the CB's path isn't as curvy as he drew it - it goes crosstable in a pretty straight line.

I guess the steeper angle moves the banked ball out of the way faster - looks like you were onto it, Dave!

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Nice analysis. I agree. Although, I still wonder how the other guy was able to avoid a worse double kiss in his video. Maybe it has something to do with the stiffness of the cushions.

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11-19-2019, 11:55 AM

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No need to foul - 11-19-2019, 12:36 PM

Number 4 can be accomplished legally by using Bob Jewett's two-times fuller system:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2ruLOLPj4U
  
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11-19-2019, 12:54 PM

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Number 4 can be accomplished legally by using Bob Jewett's two-times fuller system:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2ruLOLPj4U
I thought the same thing when I saw that - still a cool crime.

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11-19-2019, 03:37 PM

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Thanks. I'm glad you liked it.

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11-19-2019, 03:40 PM

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Number 4 can be accomplished legally by using Bob Jewett's two-times fuller system:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2ruLOLPj4U
Good point. I actually filmed this but cut it during the edits, along with a lot of other stuff, since the video was so long already.

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11-19-2019, 04:09 PM

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Although, I still wonder how the other guy was able to avoid a worse double kiss in his video.
That was me, and Bob could be right - I think the cue might have taken a little hop off the cushion and jumped a bit to clear the 2. I wasn't trying with any rigor, so not sure what I was doing. I tried again on the other side of the table (away from the 500 degree wood stove) and got more kisses; could be the cue sank deeper into the warm rubber?

In any case, the shot in the video by Tim C. is a a lot nicer looking.
  
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11-19-2019, 04:44 PM

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That was me, and Bob could be right - I think the cue might have taken a little hop off the cushion and jumped a bit to clear the 2. I wasn't trying with any rigor, so not sure what I was doing. I tried again on the other side of the table (away from the 500 degree wood stove) and got more kisses; could be the cue sank deeper into the warm rubber?

In any case, the shot in the video by Tim C. is a a lot nicer looking.
Thank you for posting ... both the video and your follow-up report.

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11-19-2019, 05:32 PM

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I like the 3 frozen on the short rail. I wonder if its possible to make any 1, 2, or 3 balls that someone chooses. It looks like you got part of the way to that point, but a few combinations of balls were left out.
Here's all combinations (1, 3, 9, 1&3, 1&9, 3&9, 1&3&9):

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11-19-2019, 05:54 PM

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Nicely done by Tim, although the CB's path isn't as curvy as he drew it - it goes crosstable in a pretty straight line.

I guess the steeper angle moves the banked ball out of the way faster - looks like you were onto it, Dave!

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Also from the steeper angle it looks like straight top spin would work. There is some curve to his cb path, a slight bend back toward that second rail. Halfway across the table the cb is about an inch more up table than where it is when it comes off the first cushion, and then it hits the second cushion lower again. The slight arc looks like top spin.


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11-20-2019, 09:58 AM

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That was me, and Bob could be right - I think the cue might have taken a little hop off the cushion and jumped a bit to clear the 2.
FYI, Dan Hosier just posted another video, where the CB hop is obvious:

https://youtu.be/afRyAceyMcM

Thank you to everybody for the insightful discussion.

Now let's hear about and see how to make all of the frozen-ball-challenge shots with legal hits.

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11-20-2019, 10:12 AM

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Number 4 can be accomplished legally by using Bob Jewett's two-times fuller system:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2ruLOLPj4U
The Jewett two-times-fuller system can also be used to pocket the 9 without chalk at the contact point in shot 1a, but the proposition there is to pocket the 9 with a combo and not a carom.

I filmed this too, but it also got cut during the edits to help shorten the video.

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11-21-2019, 10:12 PM

I got the trick shot to work. For the life of me I couldn’t get it to work on my table. I could get the one ball to bank in over and over. But not go straight in. But when I watched my own video, I figured out a little trick!

https://youtu.be/ecrgoLRuzWc

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[edit: my table is a GC1 redone with diamond pocket specs with 4.5” pockets. I shot all the shots from the same spot, just below the rack on the center line of the table. At first, I couldn’t get the one ball to move far enough towards the pocket. But, I changed one small thing and the one ball goes just a bout every time. and the trick is something already present in the proposition shot video ]


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