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11-21-2019, 06:51 AM

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My friend son is a Board Certified General Surgeon, with a fellowship in Oncology Surgury. His scrolls was like 4 year premed, 4 year medical school, 5 year residency in General Surgery, then a year of practice in Korea, then 2 year of Oncology Surgury Fellowship. Yes he is military, but the point is he put a lot of time and effort into being something great,
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11-21-2019, 07:10 AM

One day I was asking a friend who is/was a noted pretty good bank player, how to improve my bank shots. He knew and played Eddy Taylor and Truman Hogue. Also, had some pretty good proposition shots of his own. I told him I played by "feel" because the diamond system was too complicated. His response was: "feel"? You can feel your _ss. Why would you play by feel when you have a road map on the rails"? Lol. He also, was a strong advocate of using center ball. My friend was Vernon Elliott.
  
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11-21-2019, 08:20 AM

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11-21-2019, 08:49 AM

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Pool Hall Degree - 11-21-2019, 10:35 AM

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My friend son is a Board Certified General Surgeon, with a fellowship in Oncology Surgury. His scrolls was like 4 year premed, 4 year medical school, 5 year residency in General Surgery, then a year of practice in Korea, then 2 year of Oncology Surgury Fellowship. Yes he is military, but the point is he put a lot of time and effort into being something great,


I considered getting a Phd once long ago. It wasn't a real happy day when I realized I had put the hours in at the pool halls to have earned a Phd. I had a Pool Hall Degree but I don't think they pay as well or as consistently and the retirement plan sucks. I suspect I did have more fun along the way though.

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11-21-2019, 10:50 AM

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Yeah, but can he bank?
He over-cut a patient once.....does that count?


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Try it on a typical Diamond bar table, a blue label Diamond 9-footer, a GC, and a Robertson
...if you succeeded on all four, your feel over rode your system.


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11-21-2019, 11:28 AM

Here's what greatly improved my 8-ball/9-ball banking over the last few years:

1) Get Freddy's books "Banking with the Beard" and "Gospool"

2) Practice each shot from those books that is labeled "Automatic" (e.g. "Automatic cross side bank"). Those are the banks that come up all the time in 8-ball/9-ball. The other banks in the book are more for 1P or bank pool, and not as important for 8-ball/9-ball.

3) Once you are consistent with the above banks, you will be able to feel how to adjust when the balls are in slightly different spots (I like to initially aim like it's the exact shot from Freddy's book, then pivot the cue until it feels right).
  
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11-21-2019, 01:23 PM

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Try it on a typical Diamond bar table, a blue label Diamond 9-footer, a GC, and a Robertson
...if you succeeded on all four, your feel over rode your system.
My feel overrides all systems regularly. They're just estimating guides.

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11-22-2019, 09:14 AM

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I considered getting a Phd once long ago. It wasn't a real happy day when I realized I had put the hours in at the pool halls to have earned a Phd. I had a Pool Hall Degree but I don't think they pay as well or as consistently and the retirement plan sucks. I suspect I did have more fun along the way though.

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LoL... when I said earlier I was putting in 8 hours a day 5 times a week it was what I was doing instead of going to college classes. I was a science/math geek but pool was way more fun and I had no idea that it would be taught at college later on. I eventually got booted out of college for not attending a single class for an extended period of time due to getting bit by the pool bug. At that point, it only cost a penny per minute for table rental so I could afford to haunt the place.

Maggie May by Rod Stewart was frequently playing on the jukebox in the student union basement where they had a couple decent 9 footers and a snooker table. The line from the song that goes "...maybe I'll steal my daddy's cue and make a living out of playing pool..." prompted me to think that, yeah, I think I could keep getting better at this and do that.

After I mentioned that to one of the older guys he explained that I would be living the life of Fast Eddy Felson and went into further detail about the life of a road agent, so I thought, eh, don't think so. If the ESPN pool thing had been happening at that time I might have still pursued it but that didn't happen till after I had moved on to a new vice, that of being a rock and roll musician/songwriter.


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11-22-2019, 04:17 PM

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Try it on a typical Diamond bar table, a blue label Diamond 9-footer, a GC, and a Robertson
...if you succeeded on all four, your feel over rode your system.
Here's a system for those table-to-table adjustments.

Because rolling balls rebound long they have to be aimed short of the equal-angle spot at the cushion nose. The actual aim target is somewhere on the rail behind the equal-angle spot, and it's a similar distance back on the rail for all rolling kicks on that table. I like to visualize the aim point on the rail behind the equal-angle spot as a fraction of the distance from the nose to the diamond, as illustrated by the yellow "rulers" in the pics below.

On this Virtual Pool table the aim points are right about at the diamond behind the equal-angle cushion nose spot - this is about how my usual table plays (Metro with Simonis 860). On a shorter-banking table, like one with faster or dirtier rails, the aim points will be closer to the cushion nose. On new slippery cloth the aim points can be behind the diamonds.

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11-22-2019, 05:17 PM

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My feel overrides all systems regularly. They're just estimating guides.

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I like what youíre saying.
Were you ever trying a bank for a while....and realized the cushion was banking shorter...
...because the multiple hits on the same spot livens up the rubber?


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same here! - 11-22-2019, 10:06 PM

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LoL... when I said earlier I was putting in 8 hours a day 5 times a week it was what I was doing instead of going to college classes. I was a science/math geek but pool was way more fun and I had no idea that it would be taught at college later on. I eventually got booted out of college for not attending a single class for an extended period of time due to getting bit by the pool bug. At that point, it only cost a penny per minute for table rental so I could afford to haunt the place.

Maggie May by Rod Stewart was frequently playing on the jukebox in the student union basement where they had a couple decent 9 footers and a snooker table. The line from the song that goes "...maybe I'll steal my daddy's cue and make a living out of playing pool..." prompted me to think that, yeah, I think I could keep getting better at this and do that.

After I mentioned that to one of the older guys he explained that I would be living the life of Fast Eddy Felson and went into further detail about the life of a road agent, so I thought, eh, don't think so. If the ESPN pool thing had been happening at that time I might have still pursued it but that didn't happen till after I had moved on to a new vice, that of being a rock and roll musician/songwriter.

At about the same age I dismissed the life of a pool player. Fortunately for me one of the pro pool fiascos wasn't showing any signs of life at the time. For most people they pay equally well but rock and roll musicians get more girls! Of course one song can make you comfortable for life if you write the right one. Nothing comparable to that in pool. I did make a living out of playing pool for a few months here and there but I was never tempted to make it a full time gig.

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yo - 11-23-2019, 04:01 AM

[QUOTE=pt109;6524621]I like what youíre saying.
Were you ever trying a bank for a while....and realized the cushion was banking shorter...
...because the multiple hits on the same spot livens up the rubber?[/QUOT
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To answer a previous question when the result is different than expected for the system
I figure out the adjustment and use that new formula and new tracts
Perfect example I find for me on a gold crown I have to aim around 2 to go 3 rails to the corner from the corner
On a diamond itís 1 1/2 for me
Once I have baseline I can adjust
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Your quote bolder above is a very astute observation.
I never thought about that
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11-23-2019, 10:25 AM

It helps to have a way to find the half way point of a bank but that doesn't mean you'll play it that way. It's more like maybe now you'll know how not to play it.


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