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Ethics Question about shaft diameter - 06-03-2013, 04:24 PM

If you are selling a cue, what is the right thing to do? Lets say you have a shaft that at the bottom of the ferrule the diameter is 13mm. But at the tip, it is 12.5mm. Should you make it known that if you want a 13mm shaft you will need a new ferrule or do you just call it a 13mm tip and call it a day? In my mind, if someone tells me 13mm, then the tip should be 13mm. If it was 12.9 I wouldn't sweat it. What say you?


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06-03-2013, 04:35 PM

I always measure the shaft at the base of the ferrule. If someone wants a 13mm shaft i figure their main concern is that it needs to be 13mm in the "stroking area" so a smaller tip probably wont concern them. However i always put in my threads that the shaft measurements i post are at the base of the ferrule. Im pretty sure 90% of cues have tapered ferrules and are smaller at the tip than where the shaft meets the ferrule, at least thats been my experience.
  
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06-03-2013, 04:38 PM

A pro taper I would think should be the same at the tip as at the base of the ferrule. If it was a conical taper I would probably report both measurements.
  
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06-03-2013, 04:54 PM

I guess I worded it poorly. I am not talking about the shaft taper. I am asking is it ok to say the shaft is 13mm when the tip is say 12.5. Is it ok to not tell the person the ferrule is tapered?


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06-03-2013, 05:16 PM

I measure the ferrule directly behind the tip and would be pretty unhappy if i thought I was buying a shaft at 13mm and it was 12.5 at the tip.
  
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06-03-2013, 05:48 PM

If it differs, I always describe measurements in both areas. It should not. I find it best to over-advertise and give as much info as you can as a seller. Helps in the long run...


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06-03-2013, 05:49 PM

13 to 12.5 would be a very drastic difference from the top to the bottom of the ferrule, dont think you would ever see that


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06-03-2013, 05:55 PM

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A pro taper I would think should be the same at the tip as at the base of the ferrule. If it was a conical taper I would probably report both measurements.
Common misconception.
Pro taper does have a steady increase just not as fast as conical, very little in fact.
Measure any pro taper shaft at the ferrule and then again 4-5 inches in and you won't get the same number.

As to the OP's question I would mention both measurements because the taper you describe is much more rapid than any pro taper is.
  
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06-03-2013, 05:56 PM

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I always measure the shaft at the base of the ferrule. If someone wants a 13mm shaft i figure their main concern is that it needs to be 13mm in the "stroking area" so a smaller tip probably wont concern them. However i always put in my threads that the shaft measurements i post are at the base of the ferrule. Im pretty sure 90% of cues have tapered ferrules and are smaller at the tip than where the shaft meets the ferrule, at least thats been my experience.
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I'd say that's drastic and should be disclosed
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I'd say that's drastic and should be disclosed - 06-03-2013, 06:04 PM

I think almost 20 % change in 1" is drastic wear and I would be upset if I was the buyer, so...yes, I'd disclose it.


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If it differs, I always describes measurements in both areas. It should not. I find it best to over-advertise and give as much info as you can as a seller. Helps in the long run...
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06-03-2013, 06:19 PM

Yes, 12.5 to 13.0mm over the length of the ferrule is pretty *drastic* and should not be there. Improper tip install or ferrule install....or both.


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06-03-2013, 07:19 PM

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If you are selling a cue, what is the right thing to do? Lets say you have a shaft that at the bottom of the ferrule the diameter is 13mm. But at the tip, it is 12.5mm. Should you make it known that if you want a 13mm shaft you will need a new ferrule or do you just call it a 13mm tip and call it a day? In my mind, if someone tells me 13mm, then the tip should be 13mm. If it was 12.9 I wouldn't sweat it. What say you?

Making it known is the only honest way to handle the situation. Currently a cue in this condition is damaged, and it should not be described any other way. I think it would be best to have the ferrule replaced before selling it, that way the problem is no longer a problem at all!!!!!

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Pool Players Don't Lie - 06-03-2013, 07:31 PM

Use the right tool for the right measurement you want.
Use a 1st grader ruler.
If it still doesn't measure 13mm, step back a few yards and take another reading.
You will eventually get there.
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06-03-2013, 07:35 PM

If you have to ask this question, then it is of enough concern to disclose.


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