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Yep - 01-22-2019, 02:57 PM

There are many laughing at the top players racking themselves i.e., making it appear that it's practice when it's actually real competition. If u were betting $ or pulling for a player you would probably not find the rack your own format too comical when your horse's opponent had a break shot that was a bit high or low. Here is a scenario - your opponent has a break shot that is not ideal and some distance from rack, it's 'rack yourself' format - you have entered a different dimension there's a sign straight ahead oh your lost in the Bermuda triangle - or maybe it's the twilight zone. In twenty yrs if there is a reputable promoter that wants to market the sport proper like they will have the technology I am talking about and referee's (that know the rules) as well. At amateur level maybe not but believe me folks if a player is capable of running hundred's AND has good sportsman like conduct (etiquette) - they have earned a ref to rack and not make them seem like they are practicing. When I see a top player racking his or her own rack and no ref presiding over the match - I don't get a chuckle there john. I think it's a travesty and can only assume that the promoter either is lacking funding or wants to make the game look dismal and unprofessional. Also some of the one's getting a chuckle out of there not being any real accountability to a professional standard - are bitter as they never made top player themselves, I hope your not in that group john. Watch the Chinese 8 ball - there's class 14.1 could look like that as well and is even easier to film than 8 ball.

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All of this nonsense goes away if you have an actual ref at important matches. But whatever... 9 ball on mini tables is all the rage...
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There are many laughing at the top players racking themselves i.e., making it appear that it's practice when it's actually real competition. If u were betting $ or pulling for a player you would probably not find the rack your own format too comical when your horse's opponent had a break shot that was a bit high or low. Here is a scenario - your opponent has a break shot that is not ideal and some distance from rack, it's 'rack yourself' format - you have entered a different dimension there's a sign straight ahead oh your lost in the Bermuda triangle - or maybe it's the twilight zone. In twenty yrs if there is a reputable promoter that wants to market the sport proper like they will have the technology I am talking about and referee's (that know the rules) as well. At amateur level maybe not but believe me folks if a player is capable of running hundred's AND has good sportsman like conduct (etiquette) - they have earned a ref to rack and not make them seem like they are practicing. When I see a top player racking his or her own rack and no ref presiding over the match - I don't get a chuckle there john. I think it's a travesty and can only assume that the promoter either is lacking funding or wants to make the game look dismal and unprofessional. Also some of the one's getting a chuckle out of there not being any real accountability to a professional standard - are bitter as they never made top player themselves, I hope your not in that group john. Watch the Chinese 8 ball - there's class 14.1 could look like that as well and is even easier to film than 8 ball.
  
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Bermuda tryanglers - 01-23-2019, 12:59 PM

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In the old days (at least at some tournaments) they had an extra ball that was used to rack, and then the head ball was removed. Makes it pretty obvious exactly where the rack's supposed to go.

But I have to say, I get a little chuckle out of the rack position being some sort of impediment to the game. Lots of us are out here struggling just to get to the break shot, and most of the time I'm happy if my break ball is even in the vicinity of the rack. It'd be pretty obvious if the rack ever interferes with my break shot...
I was not talking bout 'your' game John - that was you. I am interested in how to improve the over all state of how the game is being presented to the public. Right now it is just a game in a state of degradation, I hope 14.1 could some day be marketed as a sport. After watching the Saints vs patriots game I understand that even with technology they ( the corrupt people behind the curtain) can make their team win. Again if I had the resources I would design a format where the rules were the same for everyone (no matter who sponsored who). Also in my Straight Pool tour politics would not even stand a chance with their bugmen hangin around trying to hack into my tour. Many entry fee's would not be a priority, I would market a small group of elite players and none of them would be able to try and shark the opponent or they would be severely fined everyone in the event would be there caused they earned it - through a structured format to attain pro status - as it once was.

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There are many laughing at the top players racking themselves i.e., making it appear that it's practice when it's actually real competition. If u were betting $ or pulling for a player you would probably not find the rack your own format too comical when your horse's opponent had a break shot that was a bit high or low. Here is a scenario - your opponent has a break shot that is not ideal and some distance from rack, it's 'rack yourself' format - you have entered a different dimension there's a sign straight ahead oh your lost in the Bermuda triangle - or maybe it's the twilight zone. In twenty yrs if there is a reputable promoter that wants to market the sport proper like they will have the technology I am talking about and referee's (that know the rules) as well. At amateur level maybe not but believe me folks if a player is capable of running hundred's AND has good sportsman like conduct (etiquette) - they have earned a ref to rack and not make them seem like they are practicing. When I see a top player racking his or her own rack and no ref presiding over the match - I don't get a chuckle there john. I think it's a travesty and can only assume that the promoter either is lacking funding or wants to make the game look dismal and unprofessional. Also some of the one's getting a chuckle out of there not being any real accountability to a professional standard - are bitter as they never made top player themselves, I hope your not in that group john. Watch the Chinese 8 ball - there's class 14.1 could look like that as well and is even easier to film than 8 ball.

I totally agree.

Having 14.1 players rack for themselves is no bueno. There is far too much opportunity to twist the rack and/or put them a little high or a little low. Guys that you know know better can suddenly get real sloppy about their racking technique.

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Thanks Lou - 04-26-2019, 12:23 PM

It makes sense that you understand bout the 'tryanglers' your a great player and do seem to have some knowledge bout what is right and rong'.
  
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It makes sense that you understand bout the 'tryanglers' your a great player and do seem to have some knowledge bout what is right and rong'.

Thanks, Danny.

I feel that for any kind of significant competition (or high run attempt) there must be a racker. People get all freaked out about 9ball racks and microscopic gaps... well, I think for 14.1 there can be equally significant concerns when a player racks for themselves. It's also true for 1pocket but that's a different story.

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tried - 05-07-2019, 10:38 AM

Like cornerman said it's an odd question - at this point.
  
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05-07-2019, 12:04 PM

Many ‘odd’ things nowadays seem taken for granted: Billiard cloth offered in bright/garish colors, “Rack-your-own” (??!!!), Questioning the quality of the cueball when it skids?, etc., etc. If you live long enough, you’ll see everything, I guess.
  
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P.S. I also meant to include (the ‘etc’ category) ‘cueball fouls only’. A pox on billiards. It has made us all sloppy & careless. Something that inevitably bleeds into our playing (in general). The excuse given was ‘long hair’ & ‘loose clothing’, a 60s era phenomenon. Would I want to be forced to wear a tuxedo just to compete at 14.1? No, certainly. Those days are gone. But, what about the honor & dedication of the guys that HAD to wear them? Is that also something lost to history?
  
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... ‘cueball fouls only’. A pox on billiards. It has made us all sloppy & careless. Something that inevitably bleeds into our playing (in general). The excuse given was ‘long hair’ & ‘loose clothing’, a 60s era phenomenon. ...
To the best of my knowledge the rule was instituted because in unrefereed matches many players could not be trusted to only call touch fouls that were real.


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Seriously? So, if bank tellers can’t be trusted to never steal, then we will likely all have to get our cash from ATMs from now on?
A ludicrous concept. To assume that people cannot be honorable is also to condemn all sport to oblivion. Thus, no sporting contest should include ANY rules, since now, ‘all-is-fair’?
The major concept of ‘sport’ is ‘HONOR’. Otherwise, it’s a ‘dog-eat-dog’ world no one wants to live in.
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roger that - 05-08-2019, 06:41 PM

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To the best of my knowledge the rule was instituted because in unrefereed matches many players could not be trusted to only call touch fouls that were real.
Thank you Bob Jewett for shedding a light on 14.1, you were not a negative for Straight Pool. Also thank you to Dennis Walsh and Marop who were instrumental with the dcc Straight Pool Challenge. I would also add that I would not consider it to be the potential professional pool player's fault for the neglect of a professional standard (or lack of) referee in the case of a clothing foul or something of that nature (sometimes a player can foul and not even know it - unless there is a ref at the table. But many would like to blame the lack of there not being an active referee on the players - I am not one of those. Better day's.

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