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Grip too loose? - 12-01-2019, 10:06 AM

So Iíve been playing for about 8 years. Iím noticing in the past year my grip has been allowing the cue to slide through my hand every single shot I play. And now that Iíve switched from leather to linen itís much more noticeable to me. I feel like when I try to do the ďv gripĒ itís way too tight for me. So Iím just looking for some help on what I should do. Iíve been analyzing Shane Van Boening, Jayson Shaw, Darren Appleton and none of them let the cue slip through ever. Iíll attach pictures of my grip. Thereís always light between my webbing and the butt, and I always let the cue go on the follow through.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/LRwUFknhNrtv8Rbf6

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12-01-2019, 07:33 PM

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So Iíve been playing for about 8 years. Iím noticing in the past year my grip has been allowing the cue to slide through my hand every single shot I play. And now that Iíve switched from leather to linen itís much more noticeable to me. I feel like when I try to do the ďv gripĒ itís way too tight for me. So Iím just looking for some help on what I should do. Iíve been analyzing Shane Van Boening, Jayson Shaw, Darren Appleton and none of them let the cue slip through ever. Iíll attach pictures of my grip. Thereís always light between my webbing and the butt, and I always let the cue go on the follow through.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/LRwUFknhNrtv8Rbf6

https://photos.app.goo.gl/TDhzQ56pMQanBM7h8

https://photos.app.goo.gl/9TyC8eJWfPtbqKDd8
It shouldn't slip, ever. I recommend no daylight. Linen is a lousy material for a wrap. Leather can also be slippery in dry weather. If you will not close your grip, get a rubber grip like the carom players use.


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12-01-2019, 08:22 PM

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So Iíve been playing for about 8 years. Iím noticing in the past year my grip has been allowing the cue to slide through my hand every single shot I play.
How hard to you hit the ball? I can almost guarantee you that your grip is not looser than mine and the cue (linen wrap) rarely slips through my hand.


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12-02-2019, 04:07 PM

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It shouldn't slip, ever. I recommend no daylight. Linen is a lousy material for a wrap. Leather can also be slippery in dry weather. If you will not close your grip, get a rubber grip like the carom players use.
I live in eastern Canada, right on the ocean. My hands sweat a lot most times. I really dislike the linen, it was a mistake to switch from leather to this. I'm going to try and get a stacked leather wrap on this cue in the next month or so. Right now my focus is changing the muscle memory in my grip hand to just cradle all my fingers around the cue and make sure there's no light between my webbing and the butt.

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How hard to you hit the ball? I can almost guarantee you that your grip is not looser than mine and the cue (linen wrap) rarely slips through my hand.
It isn't necessarily that I'm holding is that loosely, it's more so that my pinky finger and my ring finger has some tension in them and it was causing me to do weird things. Also I would let go of the cue as I went through the cueball.. so i'm just trying to rework the muscle memory now to have more solid contact and timing through the cueball.
  
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12-02-2019, 04:33 PM

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I would let go of the cue as I went through the cueball.
Did your hand slip forward on the cue as it was stopped/slowed by the CB?

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12-02-2019, 04:44 PM

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Did your hand slip forward on the cue as it was stopped/slowed by the CB?

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12-02-2019, 05:23 PM

Here is the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYlcTS-6l2k&t=182s

The play isn't stellar but you can definitely see what i'm doing with my grip. The first rack you can see how my pinky has tension in it and also that I let my cue slide through my hand on every shot.
  
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12-02-2019, 05:28 PM

Lots of people I see trying o improve do the death grip thing at end of stroke, send tip off in some strange direction. Missing shots.
  
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12-03-2019, 08:16 AM

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Lots of people I see trying o improve do the death grip thing at end of stroke, send tip off in some strange direction. Missing shots.
Weird things are currently happening with that weird grip I developed over the past year so it needs to be corrected
  
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12-03-2019, 08:55 AM

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How hard to you hit the ball? I can almost guarantee you that your grip is not looser than mine and the cue (linen wrap) rarely slips through my hand.
Yeah....a good linen wrap, unlike the old cheap silky nylon or smooth leather or "pleather", has a good gripping texture and typically doesn't slip unless you release all pressure and allow the cue to slip through your hand.


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12-03-2019, 09:21 AM

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Here is the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYlcTS-6l2k&t=182s

The play isn't stellar but you can definitely see what i'm doing with my grip. The first rack you can see how my pinky has tension in it and also that I let my cue slide through my hand on every shot.
As long as the cue delivery is spot on, and you have complete control of the cue (it's not flopping around all over the place), it shouldn't make a difference. I mean, the cue does the work, and the less influence your grip hand and stroke arm has in that final delivery of the cue the better. If you're consistent, and you're playing well, I wouldn't change it.

Some instructors will want you to conform to whatever they've been certified to teach, or whatever they prefer or favor. But I think the better ones have enough good judgment not to mess with things that really have very little impact on performance. As long as the stroke is on and the cue contacts the cb accurately, it's not problematic, it's cosmetic. Unless, of course, during the forward stroke (before the tip strikes the cb) you feel the cue slipping, then it's problematic and needs corrected.


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12-03-2019, 10:18 AM

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Yeah....a good linen wrap, unlike the old cheap silky nylon or smooth leather or "pleather", has a good gripping texture and typically doesn't slip unless you release all pressure and allow the cue to slip through your hand.
So my linen wrap is a Mezz linen wrap, it's very slippery. I just genuinely dislike linen, thought it didn't matter when I decided to go from a leather predator to this Mezz about 4 weeks ago. It's definitely uncomfortable for me when i'm griping the cue.

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As long as the cue delivery is spot on, and you have complete control of the cue (it's not flopping around all over the place), it shouldn't make a difference. I mean, the cue does the work, and the less influence your grip hand and stroke arm has in that final delivery of the cue the better. If you're consistent, and you're playing well, I wouldn't change it.

Some instructors will want you to conform to whatever they've been certified to teach, or whatever they prefer or favor. But I think the better ones have enough good judgment not to mess with things that really have very little impact on performance. As long as the stroke is on and the cue contacts the cb accurately, it's not problematic, it's cosmetic. Unless, of course, during the forward stroke (before the tip strikes the cb) you feel the cue slipping, then it's problematic and needs corrected.
There are definitely instructors here that have different opinions but I used to never let my grip slip and I never had this random tension in it either. I went away to a different province for about 6-7 months and I couldn't play pool for that period of time and it just messed me up for when I came back to the game. So, I prefer the timing of not letting the cue slip through my hand and right now the problem is the tension and the slipping. If it works for others that's fine but it does not work for me. My timing is quite off more often than not and my strike through the cueball isn't what I want it to be. Consistency is the biggest thing for me and if i'm all over the place with my cueball and my break control it's just not working for me.
  
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12-03-2019, 10:29 AM

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As long as the cue delivery is spot on, and you have complete control of the cue (it's not flopping around all over the place), [the cue slipping through your grip at contact] shouldn't make a difference.
I agree. In fact, it might be the best way to keep your grip out of the equation, ensuring a straight delivery all the way through the ball without any "grabbing". Some good players do it that way on purpose.

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12-03-2019, 03:09 PM

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So my linen wrap is a Mezz linen wrap, it's very slippery. I just genuinely dislike linen, thought it didn't matter when I decided to go from a leather predator to this Mezz about 4 weeks ago. It's definitely uncomfortable for me when i'm griping the cue.



There are definitely instructors here that have different opinions but I used to never let my grip slip and I never had this random tension in it either. I went away to a different province for about 6-7 months and I couldn't play pool for that period of time and it just messed me up for when I came back to the game. So, I prefer the timing of not letting the cue slip through my hand and right now the problem is the tension and the slipping. If it works for others that's fine but it does not work for me. My timing is quite off more often than not and my strike through the cueball isn't what I want it to be. Consistency is the biggest thing for me and if i'm all over the place with my cueball and my break control it's just not working for me.
I understand. If it's uncomfortable or feels messed up then you'll have to try a little tighter grip like Bob Jewett mentioned.

I like my Mezz linen wrap. It has a waxy-like texture that I don't find slick at all. But I grip the cue a little tighter than you. I remember reading years ago, grip it like it's a baby bird, just tight enough to keep it from getting away, but not so tight that you smother it or crush it.


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12-04-2019, 01:20 PM

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I agree. In fact, it might be the best way to keep your grip out of the equation, ensuring a straight delivery all the way through the ball without any "grabbing". Some good players do it that way on purpose.

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I will say that is the most comfortable way for me. Now that i've been trying to tighten the grip up it really feels like I am death gripping the cue. It's going off line, i'm getting no action on the cueball, my accuracy is terrible and I feel like im punching the cueball. Can't be right. There has to be some in between here that i'm not able to understand how to apply to my grip.

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I understand. If it's uncomfortable or feels messed up then you'll have to try a little tighter grip like Bob Jewett mentioned.

I like my Mezz linen wrap. It has a waxy-like texture that I don't find slick at all. But I grip the cue a little tighter than you. I remember reading years ago, grip it like it's a baby bird, just tight enough to keep it from getting away, but not so tight that you smother it or crush it.
I wish I had held a baby bird. I understand but I think my problem is that I have nobody who actually knows how to correct it here in my city so it's like a guessing game. I understand everything everybody is saying on here but I don't seem to be able to apply it properly. It's the most confusing fundamental for me, it's very difficult to change right now without physical assistance
  
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