Is there any interest in legal gambling in pool ?
Can it help the game?
Or are we not a sport.
Can it help the game?
Or are we not a sport.
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Good pull from the vault.
I think this can happen in any sport but the ability to trace and punish fixing is significantly different today.
I don’t think this helps pool much but it doesn’t hurt either. My prediction is that sports betting on pool benefits bookies, not pool. Perhaps a high stakes atmosphere can drum up some interest. I think Olympic inclusion is the best hope. Inspire new generations as medal pride kicks in. Perhaps charitable donor sponsorship kicks in. Maybe training facilities. In that regard getting recognition similar to curling
would be a step up if not similar to other obscure Olympic sports. But I’ve been wrong before.
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Is there interest? Yep. Do the people that are interested matter? Probably not.
Could it help the game? Big time!!!
Is it a sport? You bet your azzz.
Even if one or both were sandbaging, it didn't ruin the sport. Did it help? Nope, but did not ruin it either.
Ever saw a #1 college pick miss a free throw? Of course you have. Did they do it on purpose, well, maybe, maybe not but basketball is still bet on nonetheless.
Same goes for football, boxing, golf and most all sports.
There is a niche for legal gambling in pool and at some point whether it be now or 50 years from now, someone will get rich and a lot of people will lose a lot which is why it is called gambling.
IMO,
Rake
If they can get the bookies to sponsor pool tournaments like they do for snooker in the UK it could.
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For those who arent aware....
The casino allowed betting on this particular tournament. Mike Lebron had the longest odds because he was thought of to be, by far, the worst player in the tournament. Buddy was the favorite to win. And as legend has it, all the players pooled their money and had a beard place the bet on Spanish Mike.
Mike won. Hmmmm, I wonder what could have happened there? :idea2:
Since then, and up to this very day, this blatant display of greed and shortsightedness has proven in fact to have ruined the chances of Las Vegas casinos allowing pool to be bet on in their sportsbooks.
For those who arent aware....
The casino allowed betting on this particular tournament. Mike Lebron had the longest odds because he was thought of to be, by far, the worst player in the tournament. Buddy was the favorite to win. And as legend has it, all the players pooled their money and had a beard place the bet on Spanish Mike.
Mike won. Hmmmm, I wonder what could have happened there? :idea2:
Since then, and up to this very day, this blatant display of greed and shortsightedness has proven in fact to have ruined the chances of Las Vegas casinos allowing pool to be bet on in their sportsbooks.
But surely that couldn't happen in 2018, are there not rules that stop players betting on their own events?
In most professional sports outside the US (even semi-pro if there is gambling involved), players are not allowed to bet on their own matches as a minimum, generally not allowed to bet on any tournaments they are in and at the top level not allowed to bet on a sport they are involved in...hence a few of the snooker pro's have received bans over the past few years (the same with cricket and football/soccer).
I kind of presumed you'd have the same rules, so presumably NFL players can't head over to Vegas and hit the sportsbook with bets on NFL games (etc)?
LOL
There were rules then.The casinos cant stop some anonymous Joe from placing a bet (wink wink).
Well, unless the casinos stop letting pool be bet on in their sportsbooks. There is that solution, so.... :thumbup:
True, I guess maybe it only changes when the prize money is big enough that the risk is to big for the players to chance it by betting!
Rules are useless without punishment.
Last time I checked, Buddy, Mike and any other players involved were still allowed to play after the incident.
The only way gambling on pool works is if there is one governing body that would actually hold players accountable.
"This ruined it for pool."
I agree. That table was horrific. I think my mother-in-law used the same lovely pattern on some really nice purple furniture pieces she has hanging around.
I agree. That table was horrific. I think my mother-in-law used the same lovely pattern on some really nice purple furniture pieces she has hanging around.
I think there’s likely stronger laws making fixing and the transfer of money between players, gamblers, refs, etc. illegal. I’m also betting the ability to detect such transfers is better within law enforcement.
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It could promote it to a different demographic. The one that gambles and can't stop from it. At least you get them paying taxes.
This match was the last time that pool was ever allowed to be bet on legally in gambling establishments.
The other sports you mentioned still are.
The most ridiculous aspect of that whole fiasco was Jim Rempe saying that Buddy Hall could make the 8/9 combo 80% to 85% of the time, if you were betting Buddy $1,000 a try, he would have made that combo 100 out of 100 times- I could have too! it was that easy. Lebron could not even finish out the rack before the last one; when Buddy handed it to him.
According to the video Lebron was going for 20-1
If all the players emptied their pockets and put it on Mike they could have a nice pay day.
But it should work like horse racing that the odds change based on were the money goes. If the total betting pool is $50,000 and $10,000 is on Mike that 20-1 should change.
I’m not a big gambler so my logic may be flawed.
If all the players emptied their pockets and put it on Mike they could have a nice pay day.
But it should work like horse racing that the odds change based on were the money goes. If the total betting pool is $50,000 and $10,000 is on Mike that 20-1 should change.
I’m not a big gambler so my logic may be flawed.
This is true. Snooker wagering makes the game very popular in the UK, and players are not allowed to influence or bet on the matches.
They have a strong federation, and players caught cheating or throwing matches are banned for years, and many times for life. This is huge when top players are capable of willing millions of dollars per year if they comply with the rules.
I guarantee the odds do change depending on the bets. Vegas doesn't like losing money unnecessarily. So if Lebron was 20-1 at the time of the match, he could have been 100-1 or greater before they placed the bet.
Maybe this story of these shortsighted pool players taken down Vegas would make a good movie.
Unfortunately maybe also taking down pool’s future
Unfortunately maybe also taking down pool’s future
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