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Playing Cue - 08-08-2019, 09:19 PM

I am going to go out on a limb here and state that the builder of a cue makes no difference to your win loss record. Iíve picked up a basic bar cue and as long as the tip is correct won games. I have had MANY CUSTOM cues and yes they provide a feeling of familiarity but they donít mean iíll Win. Winning is more ability and reading the table than the cue I am shooting with. I am not a AAA player but at least in my mind I can beat 80 percent of the players 50 percent of the time. Iíve owned more than a few high end cues that were built by some of the best to my specs and if I did my part they all performed. Yes having my own cue gives me a comfort factor but in only maybe two out of a hundred shots does the actual cue make the difference and when it does it in all honesty is probably the tip and itís performance that is the difference. I play with custom cues and APPRECIATE doing so how ever anyone that plays with a bar cue or a cheap personal cue has no reason to feel inadequate, you play the table and to win, your biggest asset is your brain, your ability and your shots.
  
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08-08-2019, 09:38 PM

way out on a limb ,are you?

I doubt that anyone will doubt your conclusions

I have found that there are custom cue makers who make cues exactly like i like them and very famous cue makers,close friends who make cues I don't play good with

Tim Scruggs,once told me that all the cue makers were trying to build cues that played like a house cue
  
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08-09-2019, 03:55 AM

ANY good player should be able to pick up any cue that weighs between 18 and 21 ounces that is straight, has a solid construction, a 3.4 to 4.2 ounce straight smooth maple shaft or other reasonable substitute, and a tip that is well shaped and be able to play their best game without excuses. All the rest regarding cues is just a fine tuning of one's game and mostly in your head. But I still love cues for a variety of reasons as many here do!
  
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08-09-2019, 04:13 AM

I think most who get all misty eyed about the "great feel or hit" of their $4500 southpetemikewesttimbuskatitleistfullsplicepumkins pice player have never hit a $600 modern LD production cue. I spend stupid money on lots of things so I get it .

I won't go so far as saying any old house cue with a decent tip is fine, but a $200-400 CF or wood LD shaft (less if you just want it to be straight and feel good) and somewhere between $50 and $5000 for a butt that doesn't have any loose parts and you are good.

I also think the first person who uses the arrow and Indian analogy in the thread should have a giant arrow slowly pushed through his heart by an elderly Chinese woman. I doubt it will take long and I can say this openly since those who use it don't read anything past the thread title and half the first post

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08-09-2019, 05:12 AM

I completely agree, in fact I prefer 1 piece cues as long as they aren't bent to hell. If they bend a lot, that distracts me in my peripheral too much. I can deal with it, but it takes away from the game. But yes, house cue for the win (but how do we transport it?).

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I can beat 80 percent of the players 50 percent of the time.
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08-09-2019, 05:23 AM

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I completely agree, in fact I prefer 1 piece cues as long as they aren't bent to hell. If they bend a lot, that distracts me in my peripheral too much. I can deal with it, but it takes away from the game. But yes, house cue for the win (but how do we transport it?).


So doing the math, you lose 90% of the time... ;-P.
Transport it? In a case. https://www.woodscues.com/collections/1-piece-cue-cases

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08-09-2019, 06:42 AM

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I am not a AAA player but at least in my mind I can beat 80 percent of the players 50 percent of the time.
I think this system of rating players should replace Fargo. Itís much easier to understand.

SVB beats 95% of players 100% of the time.

Filler beats 96% of players 99.98% of the time.
  
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08-09-2019, 07:04 AM

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I think this system of rating players should replace Fargo. Itís much easier to understand.

SVB beats 95% of players 100% of the time.

Filler beats 96% of players 99.98% of the time.


My argument lies in the following statement "Yes having my own cue gives me a comfort factor but in only maybe two out of a hundred shots does the actual cue make the difference"

When players get to that upper echelon of performance and competition..... the difference in making and missing those two out of a hundred shots can play a big factor in losing a set, getting into the money in a tournament, finishing top in league.... so on and so on. All things I'm not willing to put a bar cue into action for.

Given what others have said about a good tip, good shaft, and good weight......Consistency matters, playing with the same cue all the time limits the inconsistency of the feel. Whether it's a $90 players or a $1900 Cohen doesn't necessarily change things.
Changing things..... changes things.....
  
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08-09-2019, 07:39 AM

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ANY good player should be able to pick up any cue that weighs between 18 and 21 ounces that is straight, has a solid construction, a 3.4 to 4.2 ounce straight smooth maple shaft or other reasonable substitute, and a tip that is well shaped and be able to play their best game without excuses. All the rest regarding cues is just a fine tuning of one's game and mostly in your head. But I still love cues for a variety of reasons as many here do!
Good game. Yes.
Best game. No.

The fine tuning of the cue and is what allows you to play your best game. Good players will play good with anything, but they will play better with what they are familiar with and fit/adjusted too.


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08-09-2019, 07:41 AM

83% of all stats are made up in the moment.



Including that one.


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Good game. Yes.
Best game. No.

The fine tuning of the cue and is what allows you to play your best game. Good players will play good with anything, but they will play better with what they are familiar with and fit/adjusted too.
It is surprising to me that people fail to realize that a single digit decrease is HUGE at the top end of any sport.
  
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08-09-2019, 07:56 AM

Hendry won 7 world snooker championships with a $50 Riley maple cue he got when he was 13 or something. When it was damaged in transit, he had JP make him a new cue to the specs of his previous cue, but said he never really played the same afterwards.

And O’Sullivan has made more competitive centuries than any player in history with a number of different high end JP cues, sometimes changing cues in the middle of a season.

And none of that should make any difference to you, or me, or the next dude to read this thread. Do whatever makes you happy and helps you enjoy your hobby.
  
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08-09-2019, 08:05 AM

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I am going to go out on a limb here and state that the builder of a cue makes no difference to your win loss record. Iíve picked up a basic bar cue and as long as the tip is correct won games. I have had MANY CUSTOM cues and yes they provide a feeling of familiarity but they donít mean iíll Win. Winning is more ability and reading the table than the cue I am shooting with. I am not a AAA player but at least in my mind I can beat 80 percent of the players 50 percent of the time. Iíve owned more than a few high end cues that were built by some of the best to my specs and if I did my part they all performed. Yes having my own cue gives me a comfort factor but in only maybe two out of a hundred shots does the actual cue make the difference and when it does it in all honesty is probably the tip and itís performance that is the difference. I play with custom cues and APPRECIATE doing so how ever anyone that plays with a bar cue or a cheap personal cue has no reason to feel inadequate, you play the table and to win, your biggest asset is your brain, your ability and your shots.
Go to any major tournament or big money match and try to take away the players cues and hand them a bar cue. Get back to us on what happens.

The higher level player you are the more you notice the difference. If I picked up a Stradivarius and a random pawn shop fiddle I couldn't tell the difference because I can't play the violin.
  
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08-09-2019, 08:26 AM

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Go to any major tournament or big money match and try to take away the players cues and hand them a bar cue. Get back to us on what happens.

The higher level player you are the more you notice the difference. If I picked up a Stradivarius and a random pawn shop fiddle I couldn't tell the difference because I can't play the violin.
Can I offer a healthy sponsorship with the cue, then see what happens?

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