thank you, for your concise & insightful & corroborating post.
Challenge of Champions dump
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thank you, for your concise & insightful & corroborating post.
At the Mirage in Las Vegas.
Later to be known as, Menage huit, de les vidages
Roughly translated. Household 8 of the dumps.
Roughly translated. Household 8 of the dumps.
The "real" answer is NO, it would have made very little difference.
The "real" answer is NO, it would have made very little difference.... the problem with pool has not been the lack of gambling, it's been the lack of professional marketing, production, advertising, public relations, strategic planning, and character development.
I've played in at least 20 tournaments that were being booked (including the US OPEN) and it does raise interest, however, it still doesn't draw the general public because of the missing factors mentioned above.
Your mentioning the Mirage "capturing all the railbirds" is humorous considering even at 20/1 they only received 11 bets on Mike Lebron.
Wags;4749514 CJ said:
The "real" answer is NO, it would have made very little difference.... the problem with pool has not been the lack of gambling, it's been the lack of professional marketing, production, advertising, public relations, strategic planning, and character development.
I've played in at least 20 tournaments that were being booked (including the US OPEN) and it does raise interest, however, it still doesn't draw the general public because of the missing factors mentioned above.
Your mentioning the Mirage "capturing all the railbirds" is humorous considering even at 20/1 they only received 11 bets on Mike Lebron.
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Yeah, players dumping and conspiring to rig tournaments probably doesn't help with that kind of stuff.
Yes, it was before their greed took over and destroyed the tour.
Lance Armstrong denied doping for a long time too.
Boy, if we all had a time machine and could go back 20 some years and tell people, coulda, woulda, shoulda, Wouldn't the World be a fine Place.
Where were you 23 years ago CJ? Ya know, its all fine and dandy to speak up now and tell people what should have been done.
I already know what his answer will be.
It will contain, one, possibly two super huge GIFs with some Mumbo Jumbo on them, that take up half of AZBs allotted band width for the day.
Then some typed stuff that will contain references to Karma, Martial Arts, Buddhism, and TOI.
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Don't you understand? Huge, irrelevant gifs make you "real eyes" that {insert random product here} is the teacher.
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Don't you realize, they changed the line before more could bet. I am not a sports book expert but ..................Your mentioning the Mirage "capturing all the railbirds" is humorous considering even at 20/1 they only received 11 bets on Mike Lebron.
If all players were equal with 8 in the field it seems like 7 to 1 would be the odds on any one player(My ring game math
). So at 20 to 1 you would expect everyone else to win 3 times for one win by Lebron. I sweated a lot of matches at the Sands in Reno in the late 80's and would never have picked Lebron to beat any of the other 7 for even money.Just because the money went to the conspirators does not mean they actually left the casino with it. People tend to gamble more loosely with stolen money.
And we wonder why our favorite sport is not even nearly as popular as spelling bee these days.
You need to "real eyes" that the martial artist who strays too far outside but remains just a touch of inside the teachings Buddha will ultimately be served a hearty dosage of karma. 'The bullsh*t is the teacher'.
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Mohegan Sun wasn't around in 1991.
Thank you. I appreciate the compliment.
The "real" answer is NO, it would have made very little difference.... the problem with pool has not been the lack of gambling, it's been the lack of professional marketing, production, advertising, public relations, strategic planning, and character development.
There is no doubt that the problems you list are very real and certainly need to be corrected for pool to move forward. In this case, we are talking about whether betting through a Las Vegas Sports Book would have made a difference in where pool is today. You state that you don’t feel that it would have made any difference without any explanation of why. Let me rephrase the question for you. Do you think that Las Vegas taking bets on the US Open would be beneficial or harmful to the pool industry and why? Red Herring #1
I've played in at least 20 tournaments that were being booked (including the US OPEN) and it does raise interest, however, it still doesn't draw the general public because of the missing factors mentioned above.
Sometimes when I am teaching a draw stroke, it is necessary for me to go back to stance, stroke and bridge basics. A sports “book” is different than being “booked” in an event. A Sports Book is a betting parlor where all sorts of sports are listed and odds are put up for different chances of an outcome. Any sport that is worth its salt is bet on in the sporting parlor. Snooker outcomes and odds are on the boards in the UK and I just read that the 2014 World Championships drew over 330 million views. They work hard at keeping it squeaky clean. I doubt that any of your 20+ tournaments were listed at any sports book in Las Vegas. My recollection is that pool has never been relisted in any sports book since this incident. I think in one post, you said that in your COC you were a 7 to 4 favorite. Those may have been the odds set by someone, but the public could not bet those odds in any sports book. Red Herring #2
Your mentioning the Mirage "capturing all the railbirds" is humorous considering even at 20/1 they only received 11 bets on Mike Lebron.
Your mentioning the mentioning of the Mirage trying to capture railbirds is also humorous because:
1. You act like the only thing railbirds bet on is pool. Have you been to the AZ Action room lately? There are many more bets in the sports book that are probably more enticing than a capped bet on Lebron at 20 to 1.
2. I believe the betting information (11 bets) came from Jay Helfert. It’s humorous of you to quote him on this information while spitting in his eye for so many posts in this thread. No you cannot pick and chose what you want to believe. Either you believe his version or you don’t.
3. We also don’t know how many bets were placed on the other players in the tournament. If I was in Las Vegas at that time, I probably wouldn’t waste my money on the Lebron bet, apparently few people did, I’m betting on the football games, basketball games, golf and maybe a cheap bet on Buddy Hall. In that field, at that time, Lebron had no chance to give me a return on my money.
Red Herring #3
PS – for those that don’t know, a RED HERRING is an attempt to mislead or take attention away from the original issue.
CJ, I’m not here to convince you that you are wrong. I came on because I felt the wrong topic was being discussed in an endless loop. While I have to admire your devotion to your friend and Mosconi mate, I don’t like how you’ve tried to mislead people in this thread. Sometimes, silence is the teacher.
Thanks BHR,
Because of you I had to clean my keyboard and monitor. I was unlucky enough to take a drink of water while reading your post. Needless to say the humor made me LOL expelling the water through nose and mouth.
I will never ever again take a drink if I see a post is from you.
Thanks for starting my day with a good laugh.
I went to that site also and they have the Sun as the location for all the COC matches. That is completely false unless you want to believe everything is true that is on the internet...which means...Am I saying the truth or or they? :wink:
I'm glad you are trying to do some homework on this event. I believe it to be a prime learning experience in what not to do, on so many levels, to encourage growth.
Read the thread, examine the evidence and let us know how you feel about public betting on pool matches.
Good reading!
Because you live in a dreamworld where people are just lining up at a sports book to bet on a third rate sport? Most causal sports fans aren't even aware that you can bet on the games, never mind what the lines are.
And never mind that the fact that a 20-1 player came through to win the event would probably increase the excitement of the people watching on tv, not decrease it. Everyone loves to see an underdog win.
Still waiting for someone to explain to me why Buddy didn't miss the 7 instead of the 8.