Video Cameras at the Pool Hall

ShootingArts · Dec 16, 2019

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There is a certain prince in deep caca now because he likes tits and ass. He is in as much or more trouble for perfectly legal activities as for some that were questionably legal or illegal.

For many pool halls, and especially people gambling in pool halls is seen in no better light than visiting strip joints. Both are legal and I would consider both somebody's personal business. I have the right to not be photographed or videoed in a private building.

If I owned a pool hall and somebody asked I would allow them to video in slow times in a quiet area with the understanding the camera would not be turned on other patrons. Violate that and the camera would be gone! I think videographing is a very valuable tool for learning and finding mistakes we aren't aware of. I know people who do things they would swear they don't do, only video will convince them otherwise.

Playing both ends against the middle a little bit but I think that filming yourself should be permitted when practical. Filming other people without their permission is over the top, plain wrong.

Hu

garczar · Dec 16, 2019

ShootingArts said:
There is a certain prince in deep caca now because he likes tits and ass. He is in as much or more trouble for perfectly legal activities as for some that were questionably legal or illegal.

For many pool halls, and especially people gambling in pool halls is seen in no better light than visiting strip joints. Both are legal and I would consider both somebody's personal business. I have the right to not be photographed or videoed in a private building.

If I owned a pool hall and somebody asked I would allow them to video in slow times in a quiet area with the understanding the camera would not be turned on other patrons. Violate that and the camera would be gone! I think videographing is a very valuable tool for learning and finding mistakes we aren't aware of. I know people who do things they would swear they don't do, only video will convince them otherwise.

Playing both ends against the middle a little bit but I think that filming yourself should be permitted when practical. Filming other people without their permission is over the top, plain wrong.

Hu

Very well stated.

hang-the-9 · Dec 16, 2019

Ghosst said:
I used to take my Everio HD camera down to the pool hall to record practice and playing sessions. I did it for about 6 months and learned a great deal of things to work on. A few years later I took my a friend down as she was learning and I thought it would be a great tool for her.

I found out about a year later that some of the players were really upset about this. I never heard a word about it from them directly either. The funny thing is none of them are world-beaters, nor do they gamble terribly high (max $3-400/day) so I don't really know who they're hiding from.

Their situation aside, would you be upset you were knowingly video-taped from across the room behind a pair of players? I mean two players walking in front of the lens constantly as they practiced.

If someone is not liking something because it would show them doing something that they should not be, that is not really a good reason to stop doing it.

Now if there were a group of girls that would flash the customers but they did not want that recorded, then I would remove the camera LOL

I'm pretty sure recording of any type in a public place is allowed even if the people being recorded don't like it. So if you are recording in a public room and the owner is OK with the camera being there, there is nothing that others can do about it outside of maybe complaining to the owner that would then ask you to stop.

I have heard people complaining about some parents recording their kids matches at junior nationals that of course would pick up the other player playing and the crowd. There is no basis to actually make someone stop recording outside of the other person being nice and stopping.

Ghosst · Dec 16, 2019

PoolBum said:
Out of curiosity, did you get permission from the owner of the pool room to do this?

Yes, he had no issues. I'm just quietly reading people's replies.
I now only use the camera on my home table and I do have a warning posted on a sign.

Dockter · Dec 16, 2019

There is a league that's kind of caught on in South Dakota that we schedule and stream our matches on Facebook. You would be hard pressed to find a place in Sioux Falls or Rapid City right now that doesn't have at least one camera recording a match.

jrctherake · Dec 17, 2019

Ghosst said:
I used to take my Everio HD camera down to the pool hall to record practice and playing sessions. I did it for about 6 months and learned a great deal of things to work on. A few years later I took my a friend down as she was learning and I thought it would be a great tool for her.

I found out about a year later that some of the players were really upset about this. I never heard a word about it from them directly either. The funny thing is none of them are world-beaters, nor do they gamble terribly high (max $3-400/day) so I don't really know who they're hiding from.

Their situation aside, would you be upset you were knowingly video-taped from across the room behind a pair of players? I mean two players walking in front of the lens constantly as they practiced.

I have a fair bit of experience with this subject. This is what it almost always came to:

1. The players complaining don't want "someone" to see what they are doing , nor where they are doing it. Could be their spouse, boyfriend, girlfriend, employer....etc...etc.

2. Maybe they are an underrated player and want to stay that way but, at the same time, make a score off camera and with as few witnesses as possible.

3. The plaintiff's cant play dead and don't want the proof of it shown to the masses. After all, they go on line and rave about how strong they are. It would be embarrassing to be ousted on camera.

4. Witness protection....lol... of the MANY that claim they would be in danger only a small % of them are truly in danger while on camer. The vast majority of this group belong in the group #3. They can't play dead.

There are other reasons but, most are BS.

I actually find most all of them rather funny, not to mention.....weak.

Jeff

garczar · Dec 17, 2019

jrctherake said:
I have a fair bit of experience with this subject. This is what it almost always came to:

1. The players complaining don't want "someone" to see what they are doing , nor where they are doing it. Could be their spouse, boyfriend, girlfriend, employer....etc...etc.

2. Maybe they are an underrated player and want to stay that way but, at the same time, make a score off camera and with as few witnesses as possible.

3. The plaintiff's cant play dead and don't want the proof of it shown to the masses. After all, they go on line and rave about how strong they are. It would be embarrassing to be ousted on camera.

4. Witness protection....lol... of the MANY that claim they would be in danger only a small % of them are truly in danger while on camer. The vast majority of this group belong in the group #3. They can't play dead.

There are other reasons but, most are BS.

I actually find most all of them rather funny, not to mention.....weak.

Jeff

All of this may be true but you're still on private property and i would hope the owner would respect the wishes of other customers/players. If i think i'm part of someone's home movie i'll defer to mgmt to take care of it. What i think is "weak" is the arrogance of someone that thinks everyone is automatically good with their actions.

jrctherake · Dec 17, 2019

garczar said:
All of this may be true but you're still on private property and i would hope the owner would respect the wishes of other customers/players. If i think i'm part of someone's home movie i'll defer to mgmt to take care of it. What i think is "weak" is the arrogance of someone that thinks everyone is automatically good with their actions.

I'm gladd everyone isn't that way. If they were, I would've had far less vids in the past because I always recorded my ghost play in public when it was possible.

BTW, I've never recorded a match I was playing without asking management first and then everyone that was in a close vicinity to the camera.

On the other hand, I never went around the entire room to get everyone's approval. Just the people that were sitting/playing close buy.

^^^^^^^^^^ of.that was dependent on what the room owner/manager said in the first place.

Very few.room owners cared about recording vids as long as it was done in a respectful manner.

Jeff

tucson9ball · Dec 17, 2019

garczar said:
All of this may be true but you're still on private property and i would hope the owner would respect the wishes of other customers/players. If i think i'm part of someone's home movie i'll defer to mgmt to take care of it. What i think is "weak" is the arrogance of someone that thinks everyone is automatically good with their actions.

This whole thing cracks me up....
If somebody's cue is stolen, the first thing people want is to check the security cameras and find out who did it?
Do you think those cameras are only working when a cue is stolen?
You are on camera everywhere you go, get over it!
Pool matches are being streamed and recorded all the time now. If you don't want to be on video, crawl under a rock!!!

garczar · Dec 17, 2019

tucson9ball said:
This whole thing cracks me up....
If somebody's cue is stolen, the first thing people want is to check the security cameras and find out who did it?
Do you think those cameras are only working when a cue is stolen?
You are on camera everywhere you go, get over it!
Pool matches are being streamed and recorded all the time now. If you don't want to be on video, crawl under a rock!!!

Only cameras where i play are over the cash registers and over the exit doors. The main floor is not covered. I don't have any say over being on camera in a public space but inside a privately owned business is another deal altogether. In a poolroom the owner/mgr has the last say on this. Where i play there are more people on my side of this than yours and more than one has been asked to stop.

CocoboloCowboy · Dec 17, 2019

Fact of life in 2019 there a video camera every where you go, look at your every move. But the thing is when you pull out your camera people become paranoid. Casino have a gazillions camera watching everything, they are not their to protect the customers, they are their to catch people trying to cheat, or steal from the casino.

garczar · Dec 17, 2019

CocoboloCowboy said:
Fact of life in 2019 there a video camera every where you go, look at your every move. But the thing is when you pull out your camera people become paranoid. Casino have a gazillions camera watching everything, they are not their to protect the customers, they are their to catch people trying to cheat, or steal from the casino.

IF that was true they'd only be in the casino proper but they're not. They're EVERYWHERE: hallways, elevators, garages. Pretty much everywhere but the shitter(i guess?) I don't go in them so i really don't care what they do.

CocoboloCowboy · Dec 17, 2019

garczar said:
IF that was true they'd only be in the casino proper but they're not. They're EVERYWHERE: hallways, elevators, garages. Pretty much everywhere but the shitter(i guess?) I don't go in them so i really don't care what they do.

Well we had our car broken into in Reno at a casino parking garage. We requested the Casino share the tape with the Local Cops in hope of getting our stuff back, or catching the thieves.

Reno PD Sgt advise us hell would freeze before the Casino would share the video, so let say the cameras are their for the casino benefit. Not to protect customers.

JMHO

garczar · Dec 17, 2019

CocoboloCowboy said:
Well we had our car broken into in Reno at a casino parking garage. We requested the Casino share the tape with the Local Cops in hope of getting our stuff back, or catching the thieves.

Reno PD Sgt advise us hell would freeze before the Casino would share the video, so let say the cameras are their for the casino benefit. Not to protect customers.

JMHO

When an actual crime is committed a casino will sometimes show video. If its just trying to find lost stuff forget it. I had a friend whose rental car was stolen from Caesars. They gave up the video and car was found(stripped) the next day out in North Vegas(the hood). Casino mgmt does not like the publicity of crime on casino/hotel property. Did you even ask the casino to see the video?

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