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Those who tried Jacoby & Meucci CF at Derby..... - 02-18-2019, 08:43 PM

I first want to prefice that this thread isn't to discredit either company or make jokes. I'm really enjoying the carbon fiber shafts and looking to try them all.

I spoke to a trusted friend who was at Derby and asked this friend if he tried the 2 shafts while there since they were both on display to try out and preorder.

From what this person told me he said that both shafts had a seam, which would mean the aren't filiment wound like the Cuetec, Revo or Becue. If the shafts do have a seam, I don't think I'd be interested. Just trying to gather more information on both shafts. Both companies state they had the help from aerospace engineers so maybe it's a totally different form of CF. Just seems a little odd to me there isn't much information out there about either shaft (besides pic, small specs & price) when they are both being released soon.

The other 3 companies had much more literature available giving information about all parts and pieces involved in the shaft. I guess with the lack of information available on these 2 new upcoming products compaired to the other 3 I won't consider blindly purchasing without trying them 1st at SBE.


  
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02-18-2019, 08:53 PM

Seems like a seam would be a potential for problems.
  
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02-19-2019, 01:24 AM

What does 'have a seam' mean???
  
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02-19-2019, 09:50 AM

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What does 'have a seam' mean???
Literally I assume it means that the shafts have a seam running down a side of it where the carbon fiber was joined together to form the cylinder shape of the shaft.

My question is what it means in terms of construction and performance. It's implied by the OP that this "seam" would indicate an inferior construction method. That might be the case, but as someone who is learning about this new CF technology I'm interested in whether it is actually inferior or why it would be inferior. Does anyone have any further info on construction methods?


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02-19-2019, 09:52 AM

FWIW i just got a cuetec cf and it looks like it has a seam. it looks really good tho imo. has a shimmer to it.
  
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02-19-2019, 09:54 AM

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Literally I assume it means that the shafts have a seam running down a side of it where the carbon fiber was joined together to form the cylinder shape of the shaft.

My question is what it means in terms of construction and performance. It's implied by the OP that this "seam" would indicate an inferior construction method. That might be the case, but as someone who is learning about this new CF technology I'm interested in whether it is actually inferior or why it would be inferior. Does anyone have any further info on construction methods?
I know that some golf shafts are what's called "flag-wrapped" in that sheets of CF are laid at angles on a tapered mandrel. After curing they are sanded and seams are invisible after finishing. They play just as good as filament-wound shafts. I doubt that on either of these shafts there will be a visible seam.
  
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02-19-2019, 08:13 PM

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What does 'have a seam' mean???
When I heard the term seam I assumed like a visa le seam like on a leather wrap so to speak. Where you could see the 2 ends meet up and seal the product as one.


  
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02-19-2019, 10:49 PM

Revo has a seam too, so does Cuetec's Cynergy shaft.


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02-20-2019, 02:18 AM

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Revo has a seam too, so does Cuetec's Cynergy shaft.
Huh? REVO's are filament-wound. Not sure where you seeing/noticing a seam.
  
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Huh? REVO's are filament-wound. Not sure where you seeing/noticing a seam.
From those Revo shafts I have seen, especially on Revo sold since later 2018, seam is very obvious. (which IMO Predator started caring less on finished product's cosmetics, maybe due to the high demand they were eager to fulfill?)

But I will gladly admit I am wrong on this, if you can direct me to where I can see Predator's official statement on how Revo is made.


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02-20-2019, 07:22 AM

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From those Revo shafts I have seen, especially on Revo sold since later 2018, seam is very obvious. (which IMO Predator started caring less on finished product's cosmetics, maybe due to the high demand they were eager to fulfill?)

But I will gladly admit I am wrong on this, if you can direct me to where I can see Predator's official statement on how Revo is made.
There is no visible seam on the new revo shaft I bought a couple weeks ago. I looked it over very close after reading this thread.
  
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There is no visible seam on the new revo shaft I bought a couple weeks ago. I looked it over very close after reading this thread.
I agree. I have no idea what that guy's talking about. A buddy has both sizes and i've seen about 5-6 others and there is NO trace of a seam on them.
  
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02-20-2019, 07:39 AM

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From those Revo shafts I have seen, especially on Revo sold since later 2018, seam is very obvious. (which IMO Predator started caring less on finished product's cosmetics, maybe due to the high demand they were eager to fulfill?)

But I will gladly admit I am wrong on this, if you can direct me to where I can see Predator's official statement on how Revo is made.
Read this: https://www.predatorcues.com/technol...vo-technology/ They use cf TOW which is the thread used to make cf sheets. Instead of flag-wrapping sheets they wind the TOW directly on to the mandrel. They do it at various angles, known as "bias", to get the properties they want. BTW, as i'm writing this Predator responded to my FB question. They said what i'm saying here, there is NO seam in a REVO shaft. If you saw a seam you were 99.9999999% likely to be looking at a cheap knock-off.
  
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02-20-2019, 09:33 AM

I have not seen any seam on a Revo I tested. Somewhere in April I'll have possibility to test Cuetec's shaft so I'll see if there is one and how it performs. When it comes to Jacoby ...they make really good wooden LD shafts so I expect them to offer something really good in c.f. too. We'll see.


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02-20-2019, 12:17 PM

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Read this: https://www.predatorcues.com/technol...vo-technology/ They use cf TOW which is the thread used to make cf sheets. Instead of flag-wrapping sheets they wind the TOW directly on to the mandrel. They do it at various angles, known as "bias", to get the properties they want. BTW, as i'm writing this Predator responded to my FB question. They said what i'm saying here, there is NO seam in a REVO shaft. If you saw a seam you were 99.9999999% likely to be looking at a cheap knock-off.
Can you post link to Predator's Facebook response? Thanks.


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