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05-06-2019, 01:25 PM

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I have a very limited experience playing in bars.

...but I would not play with a magnetic ball....unpredictable

I would play with the big ball...predictable
I would venture to say you have already played with a magnetic ball.
  
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05-06-2019, 01:33 PM

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I would venture to say you have already played with a magnetic ball.
By “play” I really meant gamble
...a magnetic cue ball makes a drug store golf ball feel like a Titleist


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05-06-2019, 01:34 PM

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It seems that over-sized cue balls on bar tables are a thing of the past. The ball return mechanisms in coin-operated tables used to need a size difference so scratches could be returned. Now cue balls are magnetic or returned optically in the case of Diamond tables.

Does anyone here still suffer from the big ball problem?

At English 8-ball they took the opposite tack. The cue balls are smaller (I think 2 inches with 2 1/16 object balls) for the ball return on coin-ops.
Zillions across the country still use a weighted ball or big ball. Most of them could use at least the magnetic system in Valleys for the Green or Purple Aramith cue ball, but so many bars still use the oversized (2 3/8) or the Universal B (resin flake / mud ball) or the Dynamo Red Dot (heavy magnet, 2 1/4 diameter). I could go to ten bars in the immediate area and find any of these three.

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05-06-2019, 01:49 PM

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By “play” I really meant gamble
...a magnetic cue ball makes a drug store golf ball feel like a Titleist
Roger, makes a little more sense. That being said, I don't have too many issues with the magnetic CB's but I don't get to play with decent CB's very ofen, only when I play on one of the 6 diamonds (2 different bars) I know about in Boise.
  
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05-06-2019, 01:51 PM

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Zillions across the country still use a weighted ball or big ball. Most of them could use at least the magnetic system in Valleys for the Green or Purple Aramith cue ball, but so many bars still use the oversized (2 3/8) or the Universal B (resin flake / mud ball) or the Dynamo Red Dot (heavy magnet, 2 1/4 diameter). I could go to ten bars in the immediate area and find any of these three.

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I haven't seen the big cue ball in my area(Kan, Tex,Ok) in a long time. Still see a lot of weighted/magnetic ones.
  
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05-06-2019, 02:01 PM

I played with a big ball on a Valley in Northern Wisconsin at a Hotel. The table was in a large room with a swimming pool. The room was very humid. I practiced on that $1 table for around and hour. It’s still pool andI wish I could of matched up. Hot, humid, no draw with a beat up house cue. I was happy to have that table. My wife was in the pool and I was on the pool table.
  
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05-06-2019, 02:50 PM

The bar by my house in San Jose has the big ball on a valley and I think the owner prefers it that way. One weekend I serrupticiously swapped it out for an aramith magnetic one. We played with it for a couple weeks but then one day it was gone and a brand new big one was back.

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05-06-2019, 03:02 PM

All over KY and WV.

Usually in bars that have one or two tables.
  
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05-06-2019, 03:37 PM

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It seems that over-sized cue balls on bar tables are a thing of the past. The ball return mechanisms in coin-operated tables used to need a size difference so scratches could be returned. Now cue balls are magnetic or returned optically in the case of Diamond tables.

Does anyone here still suffer from the big ball problem?

At English 8-ball they took the opposite tack. The cue balls are smaller (I think 2 inches with 2 1/16 object balls) for the ball return on coin-ops.
The English took the correct Choice. I play quite a bit of blackball these days, and I think the smaller cueball, while presenting a Challenge, is a lot more similar to a normal size ball than a larger one is. You can do everything With the small cueball and while the small size means it can't bulldoze its way through a cluster, it encourages "clean" play, by picking off the balls rather than plowing into them. It's easy to draw the ball, and follow isn't all that difficult either. Since the ball is so small and light, even a moderate amount of power will give you all the follow you need, especially since they've officially started using Simonis style cloth. The old nap "rugs" that used to plague the UK bar tables is a completely different story.

The large ball is just a nightmare to play With. Basically the game becomes all follow. Even stunning the ball gets completely ruined by the size and weight of the ball. Not to mention that the larger cueballs tend to be made from inferior materials, which hold on on to chalk and chip easily. Some are made by turning down a regular ball and covering it with something. Whatever that something is, it's not anything like the Object balls. I can see how someone playing a lot With these balls may develop a killer draw stroke, but I can also imagine someone not even attempting draw shots beyond 3 or 4 Diamonds or at all.

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05-06-2019, 03:44 PM

My home town bar had one a few years ago, nearly impossible to draw and it had chalk marks all over it. I explained to the owner that it was heavier and it would make the games take longer which meant lost revenue and they looked at me like I was some sort of alien. I was back home a few months ago and got into a bad slump and was struggling to move the cueball accurately. In four pool rooms I counted 7 or 8 different types of cue balls that I had played with.
  
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05-09-2019, 04:37 PM

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The bar by my house in San Jose has the big ball on a valley and I think the owner prefers it that way. One weekend I serrupticiously swapped it out for an aramith magnetic one. We played with it for a couple weeks but then one day it was gone and a brand new big one was back.

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05-10-2019, 05:47 AM

Around here (central Indiana) I don't see very many big cue balls, but the heavy or mud ball is prevalent. All the league players have their own green or purple Aramith balls that they carry with them to swap out with the heavy cue balls at the bars.

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Zillions across the country still use a weighted ball or big ball. Most of them could use at least the magnetic system in Valleys for the Green or Purple Aramith cue ball, but so many bars still use the oversized (2 3/8) or the Universal B (resin flake / mud ball) or the Dynamo Red Dot (heavy magnet, 2 1/4 diameter). I could go to ten bars in the immediate area and find any of these three.

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Around here (central Indiana) I don't see very many big cue balls, but the heavy or mud ball is prevalent. All the league players have their own green or purple Aramith balls that they carry with them to swap out with the heavy cue balls at the bars.
What I find is that the leagues are generally not in the bars today that use the big ball. In my area, all the areas that have the big ball... no APA or BCAPL and associated players are walking in for a tournament or league !

In the past, when leagues were relatively new, we'd play in every imaginable table and every imaginable ball. I played in a social club that had a coin op 9' furniture table (Sterling Table)with slow cloth and with a big ball. Total home team advantage!

So I think the original question from Bob is a bit two-fold:

Are there places that still use the big ball (Yes, a zillion across the country).

Are leagues/tournaments/semi-serious play associated with big ball play (Substantially lower percentage today than twenty years ago)


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05-10-2019, 07:02 AM

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It seems that over-sized cue balls on bar tables are a thing of the past. The ball return mechanisms in coin-operated tables used to need a size difference so scratches could be returned. Now cue balls are magnetic or returned optically in the case of Diamond tables.

Does anyone here still suffer from the big ball problem?

At English 8-ball they took the opposite tack. The cue balls are smaller (I think 2 inches with 2 1/16 object balls) for the ball return on coin-ops.
I have not seen them in a long time. I bet that smaller cue ball would be easy to draw?
  
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All the league players have their own green or purple Aramith balls that they carry with them to swap out with the heavy cue balls at the bars.
I thought everyone did this, but after reading this thread I see I am mistaken. Around here, we usually have a "ballsak" with our favorite Aramith magnetic cue ball in it attached to our cue cases. We swap them out for play and then swap them back at the end of the night's play.

Us Texans are smart enough to know better than to leave our good cue balls at the establishment thinking they will still be there when we come back....unlike some in San Jose, CA.

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