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Besides Steve Mizerak, did any other us pool pros try snooker? - 02-15-2019, 10:21 AM

I know Mosconi had a few exhibitions against Rex Williams, but those were just exhibitions. I've heard Cowboy Jimmy Moore was a good snooker player but never heard of him playing in big tournaments. Did Harold Worst try his hand at snooker?

I know Corey Deuel and Alex P each won their national championships but aren't those considered amateur level by snooker's standards? How did they do in that invitational?

I guess I'm more curious to know if anyone from Mizerak's time had gone to Europe and tried to play vs the top players then. I think I've heard Sigel had gone over there but realized it was too much of a different game and left it at that.

I can't think of many top pros from today giving it a try. I'm sure SVB has said he has no interest at all to even try it.
  
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02-15-2019, 10:25 AM

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I know Mosconi had a few exhibitions against Rex Williams, but those were just exhibitions. I've heard Cowboy Jimmy Moore was a good snooker player but never heard of him playing in big tournaments. Did Harold Worst try his hand at snooker?

I know Corey Deuel and Alex P each won their national championships but aren't those considered amateur level by snooker's standards? How did they do in that invitational?

I guess I'm more curious to know if anyone from Mizerak's time had gone to Europe and tried to play vs the top players then. I think I've heard Sigel had gone over there but realized it was too much of a different game and left it at that.

I can't think of many top pros from today giving it a try. I'm sure SVB has said he has no interest at all to even try it.
To answer your core question, NO. No US players have ever competed at the level of top world snooker pros. They MIGHT win a game every now and then but that's about it. BTW, when Miz tried to qualify for WC's he got beat by fairly low-ranked players 10-1 and 10-0.

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Jim Rempe was the most successful,,,,he won lots of matches.
His first trip to the world championship, he beat two good players, the second was the
current Scottish pro champ....
...third round he lost to a 17 year old kid....Stephen Hendry.

Jimís straight pool knowledge came in handy...a lot of the shots apply to both games.

After modest success, he decided it was too late to bring his snooker up to his 14.1.
....like Alex, he tried snooker too late in life.


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Corey Deuel recently gave it a try. I'm not really sure how it went or how many events he entered.
  
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Corey Deuel recently gave it a try. I'm not really sure how it went or how many events he entered.
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Jim Rempe was the most successful,,,,he won lots of matches.
His first trip to the world championship, he beat two good players, the second was the
current Scottish pro champ....
...third round he lost to a 17 year old kid....Stephen Hendry.

Jimís straight pool knowledge came in handy...a lot of the shots apply to both games.

After modest success, he decided it was too late to bring his snooker up to his 14.1.
....like Alex, he tried snooker too late in life.
Rempe is the only one I've heard of.


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Jim Rempe was the most successful,,,,he won lots of matches.
His first trip to the world championship, he beat two good players, the second was the
current Scottish pro champ....
...third round he lost to a 17 year old kid....Stephen Hendry.

Jimís straight pool knowledge came in handy...a lot of the shots apply to both games.

After modest success, he decided it was too late to bring his snooker up to his 14.1.
....like Alex, he tried snooker too late in life.
Just going by this he didn't too well. https://cuetracker.net/players/jim-r...alifier,6-reds I only checked about 3 seasons of play. He won a few matches. Never beat a top player. With the money they play for now i don't why more don't train for this and give it a shot. Pool pays chicken-feed compared to snooker.
  
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Just going by this he didn't too well. https://cuetracker.net/players/jim-r...alifier,6-reds I only checked about 3 seasons of play. He won a few matches. Never beat a top player. With the money they play for now i don't why more don't train for this and give it a shot. Pool pays chicken-feed compared to snooker.
It was his first trip that he lost to Hendry in the third round...he was 39 at the time.
....people were impressed that a pool player could make it to the third round.
...like I said...he started too late...but he did relatively well....
...I think he won his last match against Mario Morra, Johnnyís father.


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02-15-2019, 12:53 PM

All of the competition and most of the equipment and (probably) coaching are overseas.

But yeah, the pot of gold is there, compared to pool. Goal line probably top 16. I'm sure the guys around 50th struggle like hell, lots of travel expenses. Might be some action, but we all know how brutal that is.
  
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It was his first trip that he lost to Hendry in the third round...he was 39 at the time.
....people were impressed that a pool player could make it to the third round.
...like I said...he started too late...but he did relatively well....
...I think he won his last match against Mario Morra, Johnnyís father.
5-9 record is really not too bad for an outsider. He did have one century which is tuff on those tables.
  
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As said earlier Jim Rempe gave it his best shot at Snooker when he was already in his late 30's. He put a 6x12 table in his home and practiced daily for a couple of years. He made it through the qualifying stages and got onto the main tour (in the final 64) but could never get past the round of sixteen (his best finish). Jimmy had been a winner at every other discipline he tried, including winning the English Black Ball championship more than once!

After two solid years of effort Jimmy gave up on this dream, but only after making the best showing of any American player. He told me about his experience later saying, "We have NO chance at this game," meaning all the top American players. He said we would have to have started at age ten to be up to speed with the top English players.

There is one American who I think could have made a dent over there and that's Harold Worst. He was cut from a different cloth than any other pool player I ever met. He excelled at Three Cushion and won a World Championship at age 24! He switched to pool in his late 20's and quickly became one of the best players in the world, winning multiple championships. And he could play Snooker! He played as a boy in Grand Rapids and just needed to rekindle his snooker stroke. He would have been running centuries within months, knowing him. Harold was a wunderkind with a cue!

I saw Harold play Cornbread (who also learned snooker as a young man in Detroit) in the finals of a big snooker championship in Detroit in 1963. This tournament had many of the top Canadian players in it and Harold and Cornbread reached the finals. They both played damn good! I just remember watching them run out with a few red balls remaining (probably running in the 60's and 70's). I think Harold won this match and he also played Red in the 9-Ball and One Pocket finals. Red won only the One Pocket. They were clearly the two best players there.

I went up there with a crew from Wink's Billiards in Dayton, which would be bought years later by Joe Burns and turned into Forest Park Billiards. Pappy Winkler won a bunch of money gambling in Detroit and bought himself a brand new Mustang (1964 model, maybe it cost $2,500 at the most), one of the first I ever saw. I got to drive back with him (just him and me) to Dayton. Wink later made me my first two piece cue, taking a Brunswick house cue and putting a brass joint in it. He charged me $5 for that cue and I made my first score ($80) playing with it.

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Jay, I think Denny Searcy had a chance in Britain,,,,,
...but when he was playing his best, there was no big money in snooker....
...he was better off staying in action.

Ronnie Allen could play 6x12 pretty good....he beat Billy Werbeniuk three times on a 6x12
Gold Crown playing payball...Golden 8-ball in Phoenix .....
...at Joe Burnsí place, Ronnie gave him 3 0n three reds and won...
...Billy got to be # 8 on the pro snooker rankings.


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Jay, I think Denny Searcy had a chance in Britain,,,,,
...but when he was playing his best, there was no big money in snooker....
...he was better off staying in action.

Ronnie Allen could play 6x12 pretty good....he beat Billy Werbeniuk three times on a 6x12
Gold Crown playing payball...Golden 8-ball in Phoenix .....
...at Joe Burnsí place, Ronnie gave him 3 0n three reds and won...
...Billy got to be # 8 on the pro snooker rankings.
You're absolutely right. Denny was a freak playing Pay Ball (2-7, all money balls, double on the seven). He could make shots no one else could make. He teamed up with Cliff Thornburn (a future world champ at snooker) and they toured the country together for a couple of years. If Denny could have gotten the best snooker players down on a tough 12' table playing Payball they wouldn't have liked it.

I'm not so sure Denny could have won playing fifteen reds though. Ronnie grew up in Oklahoma where they played a lot of Liability on a 10' snooker table (American version) and he became a world beater at that game.


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As said earlier Jim Rempe gave it his best shot at Snooker when he was already in his late 30's. He put a 6x12 table in his home and practiced daily for a couple of years. He made it through the qualifying stages and got onto the main tour (in the final 64) but could never get past the round of sixteen (his best finish). Jimmy had been a winner at every other discipline he tried, including winning the English Black Ball championship more than once!

After two solid years of effort Jimmy gave up on this dream, but only after making the best showing of any American player. He told me about his experience later saying, "We have NO chance at this game," meaning all the top American players. He said we would have to have started at age ten to be up to speed with the top English players.

There is one American who I think could have made a dent over there and that's Harold Worst. He was cut from a different cloth than any other pool player I ever met. He excelled at Three Cushion and won a World Championship at age 24! He switched to pool in his late 20's and quickly became one of the best players in the world, winning multiple championships. And he could play Snooker! He played as a boy in Grand Rapids and just needed to rekindle his snooker stroke. He would have been running centuries within months, knowing him. Harold was a wunderkind with a cue!

I saw Harold play Cornbread (who also learned snooker as a young man in Detroit) in the finals of a big snooker championship in Detroit in 1963. This tournament had many of the top Canadian players in it and Harold and Cornbread reached the finals. They both played damn good! I just remember watching them run out with a few red balls remaining (probably running in the 60's and 70's). I think Harold won this match and he also played Red in the 9-Ball and One Pocket finals. Red won only the One Pocket. They were clearly the two best players there.

I went up there with a crew from Wink's Billiards in Dayton, which would be bought years later by Joe Burns and turned into Forest Park Billiards. Pappy Winkler won a bunch of money gambling in Detroit and bought himself a brand new Mustang (1964 model, maybe it cost $2,500 at the most), one of the first I ever saw. I got to drive back with him (just him and me) to Dayton. Wink later made me my first two piece cue, taking a Brunswick house cue and putting a brass joint in it. He charged me $5 for that cue and I made my first score ($80) playing with it.

I beat Dan Bell, who owned a poolroom in Fairborn, Ohio for $80 playing for $5 a game 9-Ball. I was 19 years old and thrilled that I could finally play a little. I had to tell you this because it's amazing that I remember it. Crazy huh! Some things that happened back then I've completely forgotten. I've had guys come up to me at tournaments and remind me about a time when we played and what happened in the poolroom that night, and I don't remember any of it. I'd just ask them how much it cost me and laugh, cause usually they would tell me I won afterward. I swear I don't remember it at all except maybe going to or being in that poolroom, or that town. I estimate that I played in over 300 poolrooms between the age of 20 and 27. I was a sick pool nut, looking for a game every day! My M.O. was very simple. I'd get out my map and drive to the next big town, go to a phone booth and find the name and address of the biggest poolroom in town and go there. I'd usually get a game pretty fast and play one of the best players in the room. Most of the time I won a little money (maybe $25-50) and that was it. If no one else asked me to play, I would get back in my car, take out my map and drive to the next town (sometimes I would get steered to another poolroom in the same town). I wasn't really trying to do anything more than survive and play more pool. I was seriously addicted to the game!
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