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Any more bar tables with big cue balls? - 05-06-2019, 11:37 AM

It seems that over-sized cue balls on bar tables are a thing of the past. The ball return mechanisms in coin-operated tables used to need a size difference so scratches could be returned. Now cue balls are magnetic or returned optically in the case of Diamond tables.

Does anyone here still suffer from the big ball problem?

At English 8-ball they took the opposite tack. The cue balls are smaller (I think 2 inches with 2 1/16 object balls) for the ball return on coin-ops.


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05-06-2019, 11:41 AM

Haven't seen one in a long time, don't miss them either...


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05-06-2019, 11:43 AM

I know of one local table with a big CB. I'm sure there are more.. somewhere.
You're right though Bob. The oversize bar box CB is not really an issue today.

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05-06-2019, 11:45 AM

at a 8ball tournament i was at, the next table i was to play on i immediately noticed the massive ball, was like a carom ball soon as i looked at it


i was watching the last guy struggle to make one shot over and over he couldnt understand, they just played their whole match using that massive ball, i couldnt believe it, the director said if no one could notice that, thats their own fault and put it back to the valley table


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05-06-2019, 11:47 AM

It seems like every bar I go to in Michigan has an old Valley with a big ball return. If I see a magnetic return it a Diamond table it seems like the exception, not the rule.


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05-06-2019, 11:49 AM

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at a 8ball tournament i was at, the next table i was to play on i immediately noticed the massive ball, was like a carom ball soon as i looked at it


i was watching the last guy struggle to make one shot over and over he couldnt understand, they just played their whole match using that massive ball, i couldnt believe it, the director said if no one could notice that, thats their own fault and put it back to the valley table
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05-06-2019, 11:49 AM

i'm surprised there hasn't been a design that requires a lesser payment to retrieve the cue ball on scratches.
  
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05-06-2019, 11:53 AM

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i'm surprised there hasn't been a design that requires a lesser payment to retrieve the cue ball on scratches.
You would still have to have some kind of sorter or you might get the 3 ball back instead.


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05-06-2019, 11:57 AM

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You would still have to have some kind of sorter or you might get the 3 ball back instead.
i know. i had a thought and went off on a tangent... which table are the bar-owners going to buy, though?
  
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i know. i had a thought and went off on a tangent... which table are the bar-owners going to buy, though?
A table that charges for scratches will just encourage even more catching the cue ball as it heads towards the pocket.


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05-06-2019, 12:20 PM

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A table that charges for scratches will just encourage even more catching the cue ball as it heads towards the pocket.
I don't see that as the manufacture's problem, but, if chaos ensues, I suppose the return could be opened-up with the turn of a key.

Overall, I think most people pay the money.

Maybe, someone will take the idea and run with it... or fall flat on their face.

Everything else being equal, even, but not necessarily, the price, I can't immediately think of a reason why a business owner would choose a table without the option.

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05-06-2019, 12:52 PM

There's a bar we play at that has one. Two tables, one regular CB and one mud ball.
  
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05-06-2019, 01:07 PM

I have a very limited experience playing in bars.

...but I would not play with a magnetic ball....unpredictable

I would play with the big ball...predictable


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05-06-2019, 01:12 PM

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A table that charges for scratches will just encourage even more catching the cue ball as it heads towards the pocket.
When I lived in Belize the locals would put Dixie cups in the pockets of coin tables. I'm sure it was just to prevent the CB getting stuck...

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05-06-2019, 01:20 PM

David Matlock was an absolute WIZARD with the big cue-ball. As was Mike Hyland. They could do things with the big rock that defied belief.
  
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