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Why Trump could lose the next election? - 06-16-2019, 10:37 AM

The opposing political arguments citing pointed details in the news is not a comprehensive theory of why Trump will lose the next election?

Democrats are still trying to capture Obama record turnout for elections.

The plan to overwhelm voters with so many candidates into seeing what connects with voters is worth discussing seriously.

The impeachment of Trump is more playing to the base and long term donors than it is attracting new voters.

How can the Democrats make Trump lose?

Democrats have been going against Trump's policies since day 1. And each time Trump comes out a little ahead. The border deal with Mexico is a Trump win. The tariffs on China is a win. The Israeli deal Jerusalem is a Trump win.

Democrats being against Trump without proposing innovative solutions is just more of the same old ideas that sound good for camera.

If Democrats take Trumps ideas and elevate them, they might actually have a chance. They can't beat him unless they join in on the ideology that is bipartisan.
  
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06-16-2019, 10:45 AM

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The opposing political arguments citing pointed details in the news is not a comprehensive theory of why Trump will lose the next election?

Democrats are still trying to capture Obama record turnout for elections.

The plan to overwhelm voters with so many candidates into seeing what connects with voters is worth discussing seriously.

The impeachment of Trump is more playing to the base and long term donors than it is attracting new voters.

How can the Democrats make Trump lose?

Democrats have been going against Trump's policies since day 1. And each time Trump comes out a little ahead. The border deal with Mexico is a Trump win. The tariffs on China is a win. The Israeli deal Jerusalem is a Trump win.

Democrats being against Trump without proposing innovative solutions is just more of the same old ideas that sound good for camera.

If Democrats take Trumps ideas and elevate them, they might actually have a chance. They can't beat him unless they join in on the ideology that is bipartisan.
never gonna happen... being self-destructive is in their dna... as soon as the Declaration of Independence mentioned Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, they took positions against all 3 and have been at it ever since
  
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06-16-2019, 10:59 AM

I agree with you. But ever since the Russian interference became big news.

Trump could lose because some Democrats will find a way to do what Trump does, so far they figured out social media. But they still have no creativity on global problems. That lack of creativity is where foreign agents come in.

I imagine every foreign intelligence agency thinking they can prop up democratic leadership to cover for their missions in the USA.

Its clear the US doesn't not have counter intelligence to prevent such operations from taking place. The Clinton Foundation took in so much money, that it makes sense it came from foreign governments.

Foreign governments are capable of causing economic damage? How many US companies had data breaches? Its the type of damage to reputation the media performs on Trump.

Cloning electronic technology, stealing manufacturing techniques, selling counterfeit goods, fllooding markets with cheap products, the level of economic damage is more concerning to the companies than it is to Americans.

People that are down on their luck or without employment options may find comfort in leadership talking about free handouts instead of opportunities for improvement.



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06-16-2019, 11:17 AM

If he dies first. Otherwise, no way.
  
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06-16-2019, 11:21 AM

The only way Trump will loose in 2020 is from complacency of Republican voters. I am staggered how many Democrat voting people seriously think that the economy is now worse under Trump, compared to Obama error. No links, just from conversations with Dem friends. As much as I like them, the media is convincing quite a few people in my view. They also believe that Russians won Trump the election as well. They still have the view that Trump found a way to steal the 2016 election from Hillary. I asked why or how did he steal the election, and the responses were, well from the polls. There is no way that they can poll Hillary winning at 90% or more and then loose less than 1 week later. Interesting I think. My view is the media constant anti Trump and false polls is what has created most of these views that some people are having.
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Sounds like the Hilary camp back in 2016.

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06-16-2019, 12:34 PM

It is little noted that HRC's total vote came within just 75,000 of PBO's in 2012. And that was with her having the all-time worst approval rating of any major party's candidate, ever (except for her opponent), and all the warts and baggage she had as a candidate.

She got the most votes ever for anyone not named Barack Obama. Those who voted for her feel the same way about PDJT now as they did then, except more so. The margins on which she lost (lower black percentage, lefties going for Jill Stein, two-time Obama voters switching to something new, union voters gambling that a businessman could turn things around for them, etc.) are mostly going to go back to a D vote this next time.

He's cruisin' for a bruisin' as things stand right now (just as the Ds had an 8.5% net edge in the mid-term voting). That's what his own internal campaign polling found as well, so he told his people to lie about it.

Still, the Ds are always a good bet to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. If their ultimate nominee goes too maximally left, the demonization that will be the main argument against them in any event may have enough purchase with more moderate voters and they will lose.


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06-16-2019, 01:32 PM

Did we deport some of the illegals that voted for Obomba - that hurt Killery's total?


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Did we deport some of the illegals that voted for Obomba - that hurt Killery's total?


A fine joke here. Because the 'we' you must be referring to is the Obama administration itself. I'm sure you realized it, and are just trolling some simpletons or something. Good job! (But they'll never realize it, sad to say.)

It's widely known that the PBO terms saw more deportations than any other in history, over 2.5 million, as many as 400,000 in some years, gaining him the scornful title of 'Deporter-in-Chief' from immigration advocacy groups.


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A fine joke here. Because the 'we' you must be referring to is the Obama administration itself. I'm sure you realized it, and are just trolling some simpletons or something. Good job! (But they'll never realize it, sad to say.)

It's widely known that the PBO terms saw more deportations than any other in history, over 2.5 million, as many as 400,000 in some years, gaining him the scornful title of 'Deporter-in-Chief' from immigration advocacy groups.
After he was elected with their help?


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Friday, June 14, 2019

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 51% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trumpís job performance. Forty-seven percent (47%) disapprove.


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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 51% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trumpís job performance. Forty-seven percent (47%) disapprove.
True! That's what it says. I look about every day, and I saw this already.

Fun fact #1: He's never been as high as even 50% in any other poll, ever.

Fun fact #2: Rasmussen's unique methods made them the least accurate of any of the 32 major pollsters in 2018, 'only' missing the final 'generic vote' figure by 9-1/2%. (Their election day report of +1 R v +8.5 D result.)


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06-16-2019, 06:18 PM

Rasmussen Reports says it was the closest of all major pollsters in predicting the presidential electionís popular vote, pointing to final results posted by RealClearPolitics.


On its final poll released Nov. 7, the day before Election Day, Rasmussen had Hillary Clinton up 2 points on Donald Trump. Clinton won the popular vote by 1 percentage point, even though Donald Trump beat her on electoral votes.

No other pollster tracked by RealClearPolitics came as close to the final results.

"The media created a false narrative about the 2016 presidential campaign, and most polling reinforced it," Rasmussen wrote on its website Thursday. "Our polling showed that issues, not the media-fed controversies, would ultimately decide the election."


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Rasmussen Reports says it was the closest of all major pollsters in predicting the presidential electionís popular vote, pointing to final results posted by RealClearPolitics.


On its final poll released Nov. 7, the day before Election Day, Rasmussen had Hillary Clinton up 2 points on Donald Trump. Clinton won the popular vote by 1 percentage point, even though Donald Trump beat her on electoral votes.

No other pollster tracked by RealClearPolitics came as close to the final results.

"The media created a false narrative about the 2016 presidential campaign, and most polling reinforced it," Rasmussen wrote on its website Thursday. "Our polling showed that issues, not the media-fed controversies, would ultimately decide the election."
The Daily Caller says it was not the most accurate.

Rasmussen had Trump ahead almost the entire campaign season. The sudden switch at the end, in the final poll, is typical of how they operate. They slant it for influence purposes when it counts, and revert to something closer at the very end (when influencing time is over) to save their reputation a little.

Thinking just a little, was SHE surging at the end to make their polling change reflect reality, or was HE doing the surging (considering the late undecideds broke 2-1 to him)? She was sinking ever closer to him, is the fact. So THEN they switch their report to favor her for the first time? I've seen their movie too many times to buy that.

And then there is their DFL accuracy (32nd out of 32) in 2018 to consider. Also, that all but one of the national polling orgs that called it for her got the popular vote correct within their stated margin of error. I think only Monmouth's +6 Hillary missed on their MOE.


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If he dies first. Otherwise, no way.
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