"draw for show, follow for dough"
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berlowmj said:
Most the latter IMHO. I assume the quote refers to SUPER-draw...2 table wowiezowie draw shots that hardly ever come up in actual play and I would agree in that context.
But within the context of "normal" shotmaking, I believe that most experts would agree that precision draw distance control is more difficult than follow distance.
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Jim
berlowmj said:
This is one of my mantras...LoL. I draw just fine, but I would have to say that I have bagged more wins with a follow shot.
Lisa
a little bit true
If I have to muscle the ball to get where I am going with draw or follow, and I can get where I am going with draw or follow, I will usually choose to follow, because I can use a more level cue and just feel better about it. Other than that case, I think this saying does not make sense to me.
If I have to muscle the ball to get where I am going with draw or follow, and I can get where I am going with draw or follow, I will usually choose to follow, because I can use a more level cue and just feel better about it. Other than that case, I think this saying does not make sense to me.
I believe that changing the natural rotation of a ball is obviously harder to control.
Follow is more predictable and easier to control accurately.
dabarbr said:
thanks man ..
the 30 dergee rule is also why I am a big fan of the drag shot.. hit bottom timed to run out of backspin the at same distance from the object ball that you want to follow with the cue ball after impact. it saves your ass on long end of table to end of table shots where you need gentle follow to get shape on the other corner at that end of the table.
berlowmj said:
I've never even heard that saying. I've heard "drive for show and putt for dough", but never the one you just mentioned. IMO, there is no wisdom in that saying. You draw the ball when you need to draw it and you follow it when you need to follow it. One isn't "better" than the other. It might be a little easier to control speed when rolling the ball forward but, again, the shot should call for follow for you to actually consider following it.
Now, if I have ball-in-hand, for all my dough, and I am faced with a shot where I could legitimately use follow or draw, I would follow the ball because, like I said, it is easier to control the speed (for me, anyway).
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A pretty good instructor I once had said you should shoot with the following preferences:
Whenever possible just shoot with natural roll,
If that doesn't solve the position problem, look for a solution using follow,
If all else fails, use draw.
He could draw precisely as far as he wanted whenever he wanted and fwiw that was his instruction.
Whenever possible just shoot with natural roll,
If that doesn't solve the position problem, look for a solution using follow,
If all else fails, use draw.
He could draw precisely as far as he wanted whenever he wanted and fwiw that was his instruction.
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I have made a lot more money off of draw shots
Sour grapes! I absolutely love draw shots and have made far more money off of draw shots than follow shots. Of course if you want to split hairs I wasn't the one shooting the draw shots.
Like the instructor mentioned earlier, first I look to see if I really need to put anything on the cue ball. Then what do I need to put the least of to get the result I want. The more we have to muscle the balls, draw, follow, side, it doesn't matter; the more likely we are to not get the results we want. When someone really juices the ball it is usually with draw. In my opinion overuse of the draw shot is one of the most common weaknesses in nine ball players games.
Hu
berlowmj said:
Sour grapes! I absolutely love draw shots and have made far more money off of draw shots than follow shots. Of course if you want to split hairs I wasn't the one shooting the draw shots.
Like the instructor mentioned earlier, first I look to see if I really need to put anything on the cue ball. Then what do I need to put the least of to get the result I want. The more we have to muscle the balls, draw, follow, side, it doesn't matter; the more likely we are to not get the results we want. When someone really juices the ball it is usually with draw. In my opinion overuse of the draw shot is one of the most common weaknesses in nine ball players games.
Hu
My take is that when you are playing on a tight pocket table draw tends to be the spin that pockets reject the most at speed. I remember watching the US Open and Rodney Morris was in the booth. When a player was forced to a fairly straight in shot up the rail and given the option of both follow or draw Rodney made the comment that in this shot situation the follow was the correct choice given that at that angle the force required to spin the cue ball back would have a high percentage chance of hanging up. Sure enough the player tried the draw, hit a good stroke, and the ball stayed up.
I prefer my draw stroke, but I remember well the wise words of Rodney and pay close attention to the demands of the shot (pocketing) when making my decision.
I also agree that using the natural path of the cueball will give more reliable results and problems like a miscue or nervous jabbing will be removed.
JMHO
I prefer my draw stroke, but I remember well the wise words of Rodney and pay close attention to the demands of the shot (pocketing) when making my decision.
I also agree that using the natural path of the cueball will give more reliable results and problems like a miscue or nervous jabbing will be removed.
JMHO
The best responce so far, IMHO..
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PoolSponge said:
I use the go with the flow philosophy on shots, meaning the natural angle if possible. As for draw versus follow it depends on the next ball and what I feel most comfortable to get it there.
I think a perfect example of someone who takes advantage of this would be a BIH situation like below. You go this way and so little can go wrong. If you draw, you're taking a bit of a risk - admittedly, a small risk but added risk nonetheless. Follow is more accurate and natural which means you're far less likely to miscue.
It's a misguided statement that has good intentions. You could just as easily say, "force follow for show, draw a couple of inches for dough," or something silly like that.berlowmj said:
Without the ability to control a draw shot, this game would reduced a very boring game.
Fred