Vivian Villarreal got them again

jimmyg · Nov 2, 2018

It doesn't take a genius to research what is standard in any industry and to engage an attorney familiar with the particular industry you're interested in getting involved with. If you cannot figure out how to protect both yourself and your clients then do not get involved and put anyone at risk. Period, no excuses.

jasonlaus · Nov 2, 2018

I'm just sayin, all the Hard Rocks are owned by the Seminole Indians(except London and Vegas) and since this was being held at the new Hard Rock in AC(opened not long ago. Old Trump Taj.) Then maybe.....
Jason

Knels · Nov 2, 2018

Well, just cancelled hard rock in which I got a complete refund, but lost out on the two nights at flamingo, as is non refundable through booking .com. So I’m out 144 us so far, plus my entry fee four the am tournament, which u never know demmitt. I’m glad a little, could’ve been worse

Bob Jewett · Nov 2, 2018

jimmyg said:
It doesn't take a genius to research what is standard in any industry and to engage an attorney familiar with the particular industry you're interested in getting involved with. If you cannot figure out how to protect both yourself and your clients then do not get involved and put anyone at risk. Period, no excuses.

Hmmm... Lawyer at $200 an hour, probably 20 hours minimum to do that kind of job. .... No sponsor yet. $43.92 in my pocket. Whatever will I do?

Not that I necessarily disagree with you, but for pool it's not the sort of path most can/will take.

I'm reminded of the time the PBTA (men's pro tour) had a sponsorship from Camel. Somehow the tour ended up short $400,000 in the prize funds due to "other sponsors" who pulled out. Camel decided they didn't want to be involved any more and it cost them $800,000 when they were sued.

Oh, and somehow the players who were owed the $400k still didn't get paid.

garczar · Nov 2, 2018

jasonlaus said:
I'm just sayin, all the Hard Rocks are owned by the Seminole Indians(except London and Vegas) and since this was being held at the new Hard Rock in AC(opened not long ago. Old Trump Taj.) Then maybe.....
Jason

Seminoles own the London Hard Rock. Vegas HR is now owned by Branson/Virgin with a new name/theme in the works.

Nostroke · Nov 2, 2018

Bob Jewett said:
Hmmm... Lawyer at $200 an hour, probably 20 hours minimum to do that kind of job. .... No sponsor yet. $43.92 in my pocket. Whatever will I do?

Not that I necessarily disagree with you, but for pool it's not the sort of path most can/will take.

I'm reminded of the time the PBTA (men's pro tour) had a sponsorship from Camel. Somehow the tour ended up short $400,000 in the prize funds due to "other sponsors" who pulled out. Camel decided they didn't want to be involved any more and it cost them $800,000 when they were sued.

Oh, and somehow the players who were owed the $400k still didn't get paid.

And why didnt they sue plus try for criminal charges?

Black-Balled · Nov 2, 2018

Entry fees wont be returned?!

jimmyg · Nov 2, 2018

Originally Posted by jimmyg View Post
It doesn't take a genius to research what is standard in any industry and to engage an attorney familiar with the particular industry you're interested in getting involved with. If you cannot figure out how to protect both yourself and your clients then do not get involved and put anyone at risk. Period, no excuses.

Bob Jewett said:
Hmmm... Lawyer at $200 an hour, probably 20 hours minimum to do that kind of job. .... No sponsor yet. $43.92 in my pocket. Whatever will I do?

Not that I necessarily disagree with you, but for pool it's not the sort of path most can/will take.

I'm reminded of the time the PBTA (men's pro tour) had a sponsorship from Camel. Somehow the tour ended up short $400,000 in the prize funds due to "other sponsors" who pulled out. Camel decided they didn't want to be involved any more and it cost them $800,000 when they were sued.

Oh, and somehow the players who were owed the $400k still didn't get paid.

I'm not sure what you're trying to suggest here. If it's that one should not spend $4,000 before having a sponsor, well then I definitely agree with you. If you're suggesting that a wannabe promoter should not do his/her due diligence, well, with that I cannot agree.

We can, and should, only do what we're able to do, and deal with reputable partners, the rest is left to others and fate. This appears to be a case where what should have been done was not done. JMO

Kid Dynomite · Nov 2, 2018

Suggestion to contact mgm grand in DC

Or

Maryland live casino...

They might be interested in a last minute deal to replace the sponsor and venue.

Kd

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Bob Jewett · Nov 2, 2018

Nostroke said:
And why didnt they sue plus try for criminal charges?

Who are "they" and who were they supposed to sue?

uwate · Nov 2, 2018

what a fiasco. Its so unbelievable that an event with $100k added is cancelled when its this close.

This is like the five stages of grief only the pool tournament edition. My first reaction was denial and I assumed this was a bad joke. Then I was angry that this had happened. Then i'm reading facebook and i see people talking about trying to run this without as much money. The thought appealed to me, bargaining for something still to happen. Most of the rest of last night I was just kinda depressed..

This morning I woke up and accepted this was totally FUBAR and rebooked my flights to Philly to line up with SBE 2019 in march.

I feel bad for all the people who are out $. They are probably still in the Anger stage.

garczar · Nov 2, 2018

Well, i guess the silver lining to this cluster-f^*k is that VV is DONE as a promoter and hopefully no one will give her the time of day in future deals. Complete bulls^*t.

Thecoats · Nov 2, 2018

If no sponsor was named there likely was not a finalized deal completed!!!!

JoeyInCali · Nov 2, 2018

Thecoats said:
If no sponsor was named there likely was not a finalized deal completed!!!!

Sadly, I've heard this story before .
If she does not refund the entree fees, that will really stink .

kkdanamatt · Nov 2, 2018

Promoting a major pool tournament is difficult.
Producing a major pool tournament is harder.
Directing a major pool tournament is stressful.
Competing in a major pool tournament is challenging.
An individual attempting to do all of the above is asking for trouble.

BasementDweller · Nov 2, 2018

Collecting entry fees and not refunding them is despicable.

Let's see what happens on that front.

Nostroke · Nov 2, 2018

Bob Jewett said:
Who are "they" and who were they supposed to sue?

The tour players and whoever won the judgment which i assume was on their behalf and who they were representing, no?.

AtLarge · Nov 2, 2018

Black-Balled said:
Entry fees wont be returned?!

From post #3 above:

" ... All those who have already paid their entries will of course be refunded. ...

Vivian Villarreal"

TEAM SLO · Nov 2, 2018

Ed Liddawi just posted up for those that will be there anyway

Bob Jewett · Nov 2, 2018

Nostroke said:
The tour players and whoever won the judgment which i assume was on their behalf and who they were representing, no?.

I'm not sure who the plaintiff was but the payment seems to have been to the PBTA Commissioner. After that, so far as I know, the players saw no money.

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