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12-04-2018, 07:26 PM

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Edward Kokosinski: "John, can you give an update on your runs so far?"


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John Schmidt: "Well high five runs over 14 days playing 11 of those days.
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12-04-2018, 08:24 PM

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Just like to say Sam Kong ran 202 in a qualifier for the World Championship back in the late 70s. It was at High Run Billiards on Queens Blvd in NY. Not sure of the year but Sam got knocked out by Erving Crane during the first round of the tournament...I think it was at the Commador Hotel or Biltmore Hotel...don't remmember.
Just saying the 182 in competition is not correct if that is what you have. I was there for Sam's run....he was playing Dave Lipman when he ran the 202.
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I remember reading about that....the match was over at (I think) 150....
....so the 202 wasn’t competitively....only the first part.

Appleton’s 200 still stands as high run....
..which is amazing considering some of the old matches were to 1,000.


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12-05-2018, 07:08 AM

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...Appleton’s 200 still stands as high run....
..which is amazing considering some of the old matches were to 1,000.
I found that surprising as well, but I looked at Charlie Ursitti's records for the challenge matches and it looks like only a few of them had a possibility of runs longer than 150. It seems that to run over 150 you had to be behind at the start of the day's play and run a lot but you would have to stop if you got to the current multiple of 150.

For example, if Willie was ahead of you 750 to 411 at the start of the sixth day's play in a match to 1200 in 150-point blocks, you would stop play when someone got to 900. Willie could not run more than 150 that day but you would have a chance to run 900-411 or whatever you might start your run at. If you started your run (after a very long evening already) at 600, you could run only 300 before the day's play would be stopped at 900.

So far as I can tell, most of the time each day started with a lag and an opening break shot, which would be a lot more understandable to the audience than continuing from a marked break shot position which is what I thought usually happened until I looked at the daily score lines from Ursitti's records.

I think this explains why Procita had the high run from that era. He was probably behind (against Willie, as it happened) and had a chance to run past Willie. Guessing, I would say that Procita missed before getting to the daily limit and Willie then ran to the limit. Procita did not win that match.


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12-05-2018, 09:50 AM

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I found that surprising as well, but I looked at Charlie Ursitti's records for the challenge matches and it looks like only a few of them had a possibility of runs longer than 150. It seems that to run over 150 you had to be behind at the start of the day's play and run a lot but you would have to stop if you got to the current multiple of 150.

For example, if Willie was ahead of you 750 to 411 at the start of the sixth day's play in a match to 1200 in 150-point blocks, you would stop play when someone got to 900. Willie could not run more than 150 that day but you would have a chance to run 900-411 or whatever you might start your run at. If you started your run (after a very long evening already) at 600, you could run only 300 before the day's play would be stopped at 900.

So far as I can tell, most of the time each day started with a lag and an opening break shot, which would be a lot more understandable to the audience than continuing from a marked break shot position which is what I thought usually happened until I looked at the daily score lines from Ursitti's records.

I think this explains why Procita had the high run from that era. He was probably behind (against Willie, as it happened) and had a chance to run past Willie. Guessing, I would say that Procita missed before getting to the daily limit and Willie then ran to the limit. Procita did not win that match.
Thanx, Bob....I never looked it up....I assumed blocks of 250 and mark the balls.

I admire the competitive runs the most...’cause you can still lose till you cross the finish line.
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been done last century! - 12-05-2018, 04:16 PM

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It kills you all no one has hit the 527 mark dont it..any predictions for this century...
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12-05-2018, 10:33 PM

Everybody gets excited about Mosconis 526 run.I talked to Charlie Ursetti a couple years ago and he told me Mosconi ran more than 526 many times. He said he ran over 600 at least 5 times including him running just over 600 and quitting without missing because it was time for everyone to go out to dinner. so to be clear Mosconis 526 is probably like the 10th - 15th highest run ever. All high runs now should be considered practice runs and to be considered the highest run
they would need to run 769 or more to beat Mr.Cranfields run. Also to be noted which only a few people know that Lassiter ran over 500 on his personal 5x10 Gandy sportsman table.

Link:http://hermund.ardalen.com/straightpoolhighruns.htm

STRAIGHT POOL HIGH RUNS

High Runs For The Men

600 Plus
PLAYER HIGH RUN

Arthur Babe Cranfield 768 in practice
Tom Parker 642 as told to Dick Leonard
Michael Eufemia 626
No one saw the run from beginning to end, except for Eufemia himself. According to Billiards Digest historian Mike Shamos, this is one of the reasons his record has never been granted official status.


500 Plus
Willie Mosconi 526
Min-Wai Chin 500+

400 Plus
Thomas Engert 492
Gene Nagy 430
Dallas West 429
Ray Martin 426
Allen Hopkins 421
Thorsten Hohmann 408
Earl Strickland 408
Alain Martel 408
John Schmidt 400

found this among this thread in the area of this post by Pat Howey about his mentor Babe Cranfield

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second post on this page is where it is (Cranfield's 768)
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12-06-2018, 01:59 AM

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Link:http://hermund.ardalen.com/straightpoolhighruns.htm

STRAIGHT POOL HIGH RUNS

High Runs For The Men
600 Plus
PLAYER HIGH RUN

Arthur Babe Cranfield 768 in practice
Tom Parker 642 as told to Dick Leonard
Michael Eufemia 626
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Eufemia stated in his book that it was a 625. That illustrates one problem with an unofficial record list. There is at least one other error in that list to the best of my knowledge (which is certainly incomplete).


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12-06-2018, 09:05 AM

My high run is 101.
But all the witnesses are dead.
Does it still count?


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Maybe...after you pass pard
Just like all the high runs of the past.
The longer they are dead the longer the high run.
So in 40 years I should be close to Willies run.


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Just like all the high runs of the past.
The longer they are dead the longer the high run.
So in 40 years I should be close to Willies run.
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12-06-2018, 07:25 PM

Upgrade John Schmidt to 434, he did it a few days ago. Actually had two 400+ ball runs in the matter of a week. Did 407 a few days prior

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12-06-2018, 07:27 PM

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12-06-2018, 07:38 PM

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Just like all the high runs of the past.
The longer they are dead the longer the high run.
So in 40 years I should be close to Willies run.
All the more reason that for a high run to be official, it should be witnessed to be recognize...
...otherwise we’ll have thousand runs coming outta the woodwork.


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