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10-12-2019, 05:23 PM

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Then let's see them? If there is nothing to hide then why is he hiding them? Ain't rocket science.
He should show us the returns and be proud of them as any American is. I mean if there is nothing to see in them then there is nothing to see in them, right?

My returns are absolutely legit and I am sure yours are too.
I don't care to see them. Sure, I'm always curious to see how other people file, especially rich people with a lot of different business interests. But after seeing what happens when they are released (like Romney) I don't wish that on anybody.

Romney, if you don't remember, made huge charitable contributions. I'm going to make up numbers now but I think the idea is the same.

He made $2,000,000 profit and donated $800,000 to charity. (Made up numbers to illustrate the point).

He paid 40% taxes on the $1,200,000 for a total of $480,000.

The media and the usual suspects took those numbers and said: "Oh, he only paid $480,000 on $2,000,000 which is a 24% tax rate and then instantly proclaimed: "Romney paid a lower tax rate than most Americans!"

Most people just read the headlines and thought he was a scumbag.

In reality, he donated a sizable portion of his money to charity. Which is not a scumbag thing to do.

The public is so uneducated about finances now that it's painful to watch them struggle with trying to make sense out of things like this. There was a recent thread about rich people not paying as much in taxes as "we" do. Complete bunk and anyone who has ever done their own taxes or done any financial planning at all can see right through it. Unfortunately those kinds of things make headway into the minds of the useful idiots.


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10-12-2019, 05:29 PM

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Are you the kind of guy who likes finding a toilet unflushed so you can poke around at it?

Sounds like it from here
You okay? Where did that come from? Feeling a little frustrated?
I think you should expound on that. From what perverted thought process did that spring from? I am starting to think you may have worn diapers through the second grade. No need to be embarrassed, it happens.
It was an interesting and mature reply though and thanks for taking the time to express your feelings in such a manner.


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10-12-2019, 05:33 PM

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Then let's see them? If there is nothing to hide then why is he hiding them? Ain't rocket science.
He should show us the returns and be proud of them as any American is. I mean if there is nothing to see in them then there is nothing to see in them, right?

My returns are absolutely legit and I am sure yours are too.
Ahhh.
The old "If you are not guilty. You have nothing to hide." Approach.

How Stalinist of you.

You assume guilt when an individual is unwilling to share.

Also proves you do not believe in due process.


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10-12-2019, 05:34 PM

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It's none of my business and it has nothing to do with the law. The political class in DC loves these show trials.

You guys have a problem and that is your point man, has lying eyes.

Who would want to be president? To run the endless gauntlet. Alan Greenspan in his memoirs said that every president of the US he interacted with was not a normal person.

The weird thing about Trump is, he thrives on pressure, friction and stress. He can take and shrug off what would kill others.

That's his personality and if things aren't excited enough, he will gin up some controversy.
He thrives on pressure? We'll see. The tweets are more frequent. Fast and furious. I think he is further out of his mind than when he was elected.

What is in his tax returns that he doesn't want anyone to see? Every Presidents and Congresspersons tax returns are available for the last 40 years
Not this Presidents. Curious. Why, especially if they are clean?


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You okay? Where did that come from? Feeling a little frustrated?
I think you should expound on that. From what perverted thought process did that spring from? I am starting to think you may have worn diapers through the second grade. No need to be embarrassed, it happens.
It was an interesting and mature reply though and thanks for taking the time to express your feelings in such a manner.
You're the one expressing interest in someone else's shit....


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You okay? Where did that come from? Feeling a little frustrated?
I think you should expound on that. From what perverted thought process did that spring from? I am starting to think you may have worn diapers through the second grade. No need to be embarrassed, it happens.
It was an interesting and mature reply though and thanks for taking the time to express your feelings in such a manner.
And yet someone does post a rational, thought out, and mature response and...nothing.


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10-12-2019, 08:58 PM

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I don't care to see them. Sure, I'm always curious to see how other people file, especially rich people with a lot of different business interests. But after seeing what happens when they are released (like Romney) I don't wish that on anybody.

Romney, if you don't remember, made huge charitable contributions. I'm going to make up numbers now but I think the idea is the same.

He made $2,000,000 profit and donated $800,000 to charity. (Made up numbers to illustrate the point).

He paid 40% taxes on the $1,200,000 for a total of $480,000.

The media and the usual suspects took those numbers and said: "Oh, he only paid $480,000 on $2,000,000 which is a 24% tax rate and then instantly proclaimed: "Romney paid a lower tax rate than most Americans!"

Most people just read the headlines and thought he was a scumbag.

In reality, he donated a sizable portion of his money to charity. Which is not a scumbag thing to do.

The public is so uneducated about finances now that it's painful to watch them struggle with trying to make sense out of things like this. There was a recent thread about rich people not paying as much in taxes as "we" do. Complete bunk and anyone who has ever done their own taxes or done any financial planning at all can see right through it. Unfortunately those kinds of things make headway into the minds of the useful idiots.
No, the situation with Romney's taxes wasn't remotely close to what you remember. Not scaled up, not as to the rate on 'the rest,' or after some large percentage donations (which were low-- 10% and 15%).

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Mitt Romney earned more than $42 million over the past two years, and paid $6.2 million in taxes at an effective rate averaging 14 percent, according to documents provided by the Romney campaign today.

The tax rate that Romney paid both in 2010 and 2011 is less than what most middle-income Americans were required to pay, mainly because a majority of Romney's earnings were derived from investments rather than wages.

In 2010, Romney made $21.7 million, on which he gave nearly $3 million in taxes at an effective tax rate of 13.9 percent. In 2011, the former governor earned a similar amount, and will pay more than $3.2 million in taxes at a rate of 15.3 percent.

The returns also showed that Romney and his wife, Ann, gave away $3 million in charitable donations in 2010, including $1.5 million to the Mormon church. In the past two years, Romney and his wife, Ann, gave just a little bit less, about 10 percent, to the Church of Latter Day Saints.
Note, the LDS tithing ask of its members is 10%.

And the ask of the American people is that those contending for the highest office in the land reveal (some of) their past returns, and then publish them in office. That's been the case for over 40 years, for all the major party candidates and later, whoever became president.

Sure, it's somewhat an invasion of their privacy. However, it's a kind of due diligence pain in the @ss that people are required to go through all the time in many circumstances, as when you ask a bank to finance a mortgage. Or, in fact, exactly what nominee DJT required of his nominee, Mike Pence.

Someone who wants to be president needs to reveal their business and income matters. Simple. Don't want to? Then don't run. I assume this will be put into law during the next presidency, since a forty year tradition was uniquely dishonored, by a person whom the people uniquely needed to follow it. And the fact is he got around not releasing it by promising, over and over again, he would release them.


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No, the situation with Romney's taxes wasn't remotely close to what you remember. Not scaled up, not as to the rate on 'the rest,' or after some large percentage donations (which were low-- 10% and 15%).



Note, the LDS tithing ask of its members is 10%.

And the ask of the American people is that those contending for the highest office in the land reveal (some of) their past returns, and then publish them in office. That's been the case for over 40 years, for all the major party candidates and later, whoever became president.

Sure, it's somewhat an invasion of their privacy. However, it's a kind of due diligence pain in the @ss that people are required to go through all the time in many circumstances, as when you ask a bank to finance a mortgage. Or, in fact, exactly what nominee DJT required of his nominee, Mike Pence.

Someone who wants to be president needs to reveal their business and income matters. Simple. Don't want to? Then don't run. I assume this will be put into law during the next presidency, since a forty year tradition was uniquely dishonored, by a person whom the people uniquely needed to follow it. And the fact is he got around not releasing it by promising, over and over again, he would release them.
Ok. I was incorrect by degree. He made 13.7 Million and took 4.7 Million in Itemized deductions. In addition, they donated over 4 million to charity. Which they only deducted 2.25 million of.

Which led to an effective tax rate of 13.9%.

Basically he gave over 30% of his income to taxes - which is pretty close to what I said.

Also, his income was derived from capital gains and dividends - which are taxed at a lower rate.

Here is the link for anyone who wants to read for themselves: https://money.cnn.com/2012/09/21/pf/...urn/index.html

The point is that he did nothing wrong. In fact, he could have taken more deductions for charitable contributions than he did...and he was called out as a scoundrel.

That is why I don't advocate for Presidential candidates to release their tax returns.


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10-13-2019, 02:28 AM

I hope we see a scale back of Executive Privilege out of all of this. It would make it easier to get rid of a corrupt President without going through his taxes.

Taxes is how they took down Al Capone. So little has changed about greed.



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Ok. I was incorrect by degree. He made 13.7 Million and took 4.7 Million in Itemized deductions. In addition, they donated over 4 million to charity. Which they only deducted 2.25 million of.

Which led to an effective tax rate of 13.9%.

Basically he gave over 30% of his income to taxes - which is pretty close to what I said.

Also, his income was derived from capital gains and dividends - which are taxed at a lower rate.

Here is the link for anyone who wants to read for themselves: https://money.cnn.com/2012/09/21/pf/...urn/index.html

The point is that he did nothing wrong. In fact, he could have taken more deductions for charitable contributions than he did...and he was called out as a scoundrel.

That is why I don't advocate for Presidential candidates to release their tax returns.


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10-13-2019, 05:32 AM

It is going to be fun to watch members on this forum who know nothing of US tax code or tax law suddenly become experts in our incomprehensible system of taxation.

Short form commando's suddenly transforming into forensic tax code experts overnight.

Holiday Inn Express anybody.

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It is going to be fun to watch members on this forum who know nothing of US tax code or tax law suddenly become experts in our incomprehensible system of taxation.

Short form commando's suddenly transforming into forensic tax code experts overnight.

Holiday Inn Express anybody.

Any bets on who going to ride that cotton pony the hardest?
the Trump organization has over 500 business entities

I would bet a case of Yuengling Light that you-know-who will have in-depth knowledge of fiscal wrong doing within hours of any tax records being made public, but since I want to lose, I'll go with Robin/Yahoo

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Any bets on who going to ride that cotton pony the hardest?

We only have one member here with that kind of knowledge, experience and wisdom.

We all know who that is.

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I hope we see a scale back of Executive Privilege out of all of this. It would make it easier to get rid of a corrupt President without going through his taxes.

Taxes is how they took down Al Capone. So little has changed about greed.
I think the way Trump is being treated should be the standard for every president. Starting with Obama.


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