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10-17-2019, 03:44 PM

I install whatever pin or insert the customer wants when it`s a repair job, as long as I have the tooling and pins/insert they ask for.
But for my own stuff I offer the kinds of pins I have carbide sanding mandrels for.
Uni-Loc is popular, so I have no problem offering that pin option, even though it`s not my personal prefrence.
I also find Uni-Loc pins much easier to install with a router and a long 5/32" / 4mm end mill.



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10-17-2019, 04:17 PM

As the creator of both the Radial and the Uniloc perhaps I should explain why I came up with the ideas.

The Uniloc was invented to provide a simpler and more precise pin that the 5/16- 18 and 5/16-14 that were being used at that time . Speed had nothing to do with it.

The Radial was developed to replace the 3/8-10 pin that I also created so the I would have a more precise pin that fit directly into the wood of the shaft without so much slop.

Both designs seem to have been a success with a lot of players and cuemakers.

I have played for years with both designs and really can't tell much difference in how they affect the play of a cue. There are way too many other factors to consider.

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10-17-2019, 05:30 PM

I certainly like all three of those pins( thank you) and I found ways to snug up the 3/8 10.

Hope you are doing well.

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10-17-2019, 09:46 PM

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I certainly like all three of those pins( thank you) and I found ways to snug up the 3/8 10.

Hope you are doing well.

Mario
Easiest way to have a snug 3/8x10 is to start with the right hole and tap for the screw.

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10-18-2019, 05:58 AM

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As the creator of both the Radial and the Uniloc perhaps I should explain why I came up with the ideas.

The Uniloc was invented to provide a simpler and more precise pin that the 5/16- 18 and 5/16-14 that were being used at that time . Speed had nothing to do with it.

The Radial was developed to replace the 3/8-10 pin that I also created so the I would have a more precise pin that fit directly into the wood of the shaft without so much slop.

Both designs seem to have been a success with a lot of players and cuemakers.

I have played for years with both designs and really can't tell much difference in how they affect the play of a cue. There are way too many other factors to consider.

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10-18-2019, 04:51 PM

No joint screw configuration spins as true as the Uniloc QR.


  
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Easiest way to have a snug 3/8x10 is to start with the right hole and tap for the screw.

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10-19-2019, 01:04 PM

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10-20-2019, 05:36 AM

Mike,

Not to be nit-picky but any V-form thread will out of necessity have more clearance (slop) than the Radial thread.

Without clearance it would not screw together.

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10-20-2019, 06:21 AM

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Mike,

Not to be nit-picky but any V-form thread will out of necessity have more clearance (slop) than the Radial thread.

Without clearance it would not screw together.

Bill S.

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All good but you don't need a hole .312 for a screw with a .281 minor. So I had Widell make the correct tap for the screws being produced without tearing in a smaller hole. The flip side would be, switching to the modified 3/8x10 and making myself new sanding mandrells to accomodate it. I don't see a need to switch. I offer all 3 screws you designed. Schmelke offered some 3/8x10 screws where the pitch wasn't as deep to accomodate the tap being sold. 5/16x14 was another screw with many changes to it, not counting the acme you offered in your cues. I have 4 taps for the 5/16x14 to match up with those. Mali and Schuler around .298x14. Schick and It's George. Paradise, Schons. You know, it doesn't end. All those years of my working Tournaments, it was beneficial for me to have the right tooling. In the case of Schulers. I had blank inserts made with a 3/8" long 9/16 head because of the pilot. Worked well for the Paradise joint also.
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10-20-2019, 12:56 PM

One of the nice things about the Radial setup is the tap. The follower at the end of the tap ensures that the threads are straight. I DO NOT trust regular taps, They can wander. If I cut 3/8-10 or other V threads, I rely on live tooling, because it's far more precise.


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10-20-2019, 08:56 PM

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Am I the only one who thinks the quick release joints are goofy?
The only thing they are good for is getting the hell out of dodge in milliseconds.


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10-20-2019, 09:59 PM

Quick release cues are convenient. But they do come loose during play. My experience is not often. When it does, it doesnít affect the shot much but it affects your psyche a lot. Once they get it right, criticizing them will be like criticizing power locks, power windows and cruise control.


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