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Custom cues vs. Production cues - 01-04-2019, 07:51 PM

I have been a player since I was 13 years old. League play for about the last 25 years or so. I have owned many cues over the years and built cues for over 20 years. I want to enlighten you about cues. I have recently gotten rid of most of my custom cues. I have had over 80 custom cues over the years and have reached this conclusion. The custom cues are simply not worth the money. I have had cues from the best cue makers in the world. If you are looking for a good player you don't have to spend custom prices to get one. If you are looking for art work then maybe a custom is for you. The production cues have come a long way in the last few years. I presently have a Meucci, Predator P3 and a Fury production cue. All three are good hitting cues. The Predator is the most perfect cue. It is dead straight and machined perfectly. I think it is the best cue on the market today. It is the Mercedes of cues. You can do more with it than any other cue. However, it is the least forgiving of all the cues. I wouldn't recommend it to anybody below a 6 average. It is definitely for the better player. The Meucci is a delight to play with. Nice hit and very predictable and affordable. The Fury is very affordable and dead straight. It plays nice with no surprises. The only Custom cues I am keeping is one I built for myself and a Segen S2 model. The Segen is a 59" cue built by a Schon cue builder. The cue is perfect and dead straight. It plays well and is predictable. These cues play as well or better than most of the 80 customs I have had over the years. So why pay custom prices? It doesn't make sense because the customs simply don't play better. I know, I have had them all. There is not a custom cue maker on the planet that can build a cue with the technology that Predator has. They don't have the machinery to do it. That is why Predator shafts are expensive. Bill Stroud said it took him 25 hours to build a $5000 cue. That divides out to him getting $200 per hour for his $5000 cue. If you think it is worth that much then be my guest. As for me I am done with Custom Cue makers.

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A little enlightenment for you - 01-04-2019, 07:55 PM

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01-05-2019, 09:15 AM

Your post is more akin to a rant than anything else.


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01-05-2019, 01:36 PM

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01-31-2019, 09:11 PM

As a cuemaker I only play with cues I make. Doesnít say much about your cues if you play with a cue from someone else.
Variety is the spice of life. What you think hits great another player may feel hits like crap.
Iíd be willing to wager real money on a blind test you couldnít tell a Predator from any good solid cue.
  
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Custom cues - 01-31-2019, 10:20 PM

I think it comes down to personal preference. For the most part I disagree. I have had a few custom cues from well known builders that were complete duds. But that isn't to say the rest of their cues (from same cue maker) were not great playing cues. I have been through over a hundred and will take the custom cue maker any day. The best hitting, best feedback and best playing cues I have owned and played with were custom cues and for me, not even close. But that's just me. If your reading this and playing with production cues then certainly you will not agree.


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02-06-2019, 01:06 AM

You would lose that wager. A Predator P3 with a Z shaft hits and feels different than any other cue I have played with. It is unique. However, I do have other cues I like and enjoy just because I do like variety. In league play right now I am only using the Predator P3 with Z shaft to play with. I have more control of the cue ball with this cue than any other cue and get better draw with it all with less effort. I have had cues that I built that performed very well but sold them all. I do have one that I kept over the years that plays very nice and is a reliable player. On my own table I play with all my cues at practice but in competition am sticking with the P3 for now. No other cue has the technology a Predator has and is built the way a Predator is built. Custom cues are pretty to look at but they don't have the technology built into them. The Custom Cue players think if the cue does not cost a lot it cannot be any good. This is their EGO talking to them. I even have a low cost $152 Players cue that plays very good after I put a good tip on it and it is dead straight. When I was a teenager I used a house cue and played good with it.
  
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02-06-2019, 10:29 AM

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You would lose that wager. A Predator P3 with a Z shaft hits and feels different than any other cue I have played with. It is unique. However, I do have other cues I like and enjoy just because I do like variety. In league play right now I am only using the Predator P3 with Z shaft to play with. I have more control of the cue ball with this cue than any other cue and get better draw with it all with less effort. I have had cues that I built that performed very well but sold them all. I do have one that I kept over the years that plays very nice and is a reliable player. On my own table I play with all my cues at practice but in competition am sticking with the P3 for now. No other cue has the technology a Predator has and is built the way a Predator is built. Custom cues are pretty to look at but they don't have the technology built into them. [B]The Custom Cue players think if the cue does not cost a lot it cannot be any good. This is their EGO talking to them.[/B] I even have a low cost $152 Players cue that plays very good after I put a good tip on it and it is dead straight. When I was a teenager I used a house cue and played good with it.
Well I think most folks would agree that the shaft accounts for about 80% of the play-ability or performance of a cue. Most custom cue makers shafts have mostly been around $250 a shaft. What does the Z shaft go for? even more. How about the carbon fiber shafts $500-600? So don't thing your Ego argument about cost holds water. About 50% of every Predator shaft I have had spinning on my lathe was warped and about 35- 40% had cracked ferrules.
Pick up a record or historical book on all the old time greats! How did they do it without someone telling them about low deflection. Amazing.


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02-06-2019, 11:18 AM

I think this thread is in the wrong forum. It seems to belong in the "Ask The Cuemaker" forum. Or maybe the main forum.


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02-08-2019, 08:51 AM

"That divides out to him getting $200 per hour for his $5000 cue"


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02-08-2019, 12:50 PM

You know the point I was trying to make.
  
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02-09-2019, 08:11 PM

If its new and Very expensive , Has to be the best thing out there and it will sell , and those that have them will tell everyone , its the best thing since sliced bread .


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02-10-2019, 04:59 PM

Yea Jim, I think you have it figured out exactly. I couldn't have said it better.
  
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02-10-2019, 09:06 PM

I think you are missing the point. You claim Predator is making the best cue ever. Yet there are plenty of people that can actually play very well that arenít using them. Maybe itís because not everyone likes the way they play?
FYI, Predator shafts arenít expensive because the machinery is expensive. They charge what the market allows.
  
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02-11-2019, 01:46 PM

I agree that Predator shafts are expensive because people are willing to pay for it. However, the research and development in being able to produce those shafts has some bearing on the pricing of the shaft. I still say that most cue makers simply don't have the machinery to produce a shaft like Predator. I have always been able to play with most any cue put in my hands but the Predator P3 with the Z shaft is the best I have ever felt in my hands. I also have a Predator Roadline Sneaky but it does not feel the same as the P3 using the same shaft. The cue in your hands only helps you, it does not win the game for you. There is no substitute for talent. The really good players I have known just seems like they were born with the talent.
  
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