Here's another Mosconi "foul" in an exhibition, at about 14:36. He was age 64 at that point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6B1XncJoD0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6B1XncJoD0
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Mr 600
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know the masses
I used to know a guy who would use the nomenclatures 'no one', everyone, and or everybody when he was trying to sell his idea - when one person was reluctant to agree with him. He was a telemarketer phone sales person and not a happy dude. I think this tactic/hustle worked well for him when he was trying to pressure weak minded individuals into buying a vacation over the telephone. I may not be super smart, but grouping everyone into yer mandatory sharking club - won't due. People are not all the same, also there is a difference between being upset at an error - vs blatant sharking, I may not be the one to fill Mosconi's shoes - but John schmtt certainly ain't either. I guess I should say not 'everyone' will fall for that kind of narrow minded thinking. Please take me off yer sales pitch list. I shark ' no one' and players that do degrade themselves into such petty antics - only do so out of desperation - when they see the doors of victory closing for them.
I used to know a guy who would use the nomenclatures 'no one', everyone, and or everybody when he was trying to sell his idea - when one person was reluctant to agree with him. He was a telemarketer phone sales person and not a happy dude. I think this tactic/hustle worked well for him when he was trying to pressure weak minded individuals into buying a vacation over the telephone. I may not be super smart, but grouping everyone into yer mandatory sharking club - won't due. People are not all the same, also there is a difference between being upset at an error - vs blatant sharking, I may not be the one to fill Mosconi's shoes - but John schmtt certainly ain't either. I guess I should say not 'everyone' will fall for that kind of narrow minded thinking. Please take me off yer sales pitch list. I shark ' no one' and players that do degrade themselves into such petty antics - only do so out of desperation - when they see the doors of victory closing for them.
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I feel the commentary makes it clear that this match was a "friendly" and that the infraction would not be penalized. Like this one, many of the other exhibitions in which Willie played against a top local player were "friendly" matches. There was never any money riding on these matches.
Yeah, at the end, Willie was struggling. My friend Jimmy Fusco, who did so much for Willie in those last years, spoke of it to me at the time. Willie and Jimmy were both from South Philadelphia and were long-time and very close friends.
John has a long way to go to be what Willie is to pool.
And he does have some impressive achievements.
And he does have some impressive achievements.
The whole thing stinks. If John wanted to recreate Willy's run he shouldn't be able to pick and choose how. Go AROUND and do exhibitions, you can't just stay on one hand picked table. If a legendary traveling bowler got 40 something strikes in a row, another guy can't just stay in one house on one lane and think the accomplishment is the same. Like the Bonds HR "record" this needs an ASSterisk. Better shrink the gutters while we're at it, oh hell, lets get those bumpers in place.
Mayhap not fill his shews but he does seem to be the one to break his exhibition high run record. Just congratulate the guy. Don’t be left out, everyone’s dewing it!
howdy
I think I know where your loyalties lie, or shall i say yer royaltiies'. That is nothing compared to the bs he pulled at both tar match up's I had with him in louisville and North Kansas City. But again Jay (the bank pool playah') I know where your loyalties lie. Maybe he did it, but I know his nature and if there is any funny business (sounds to me like there is) the Mosconi geek squad will call him out on it. Then the bca and nytimes should be cancelled as reliable news sources, I have a feeling that their reason for delay in producing the video is due to their own negligence.
I think I know where your loyalties lie, or shall i say yer royaltiies'. That is nothing compared to the bs he pulled at both tar match up's I had with him in louisville and North Kansas City. But again Jay (the bank pool playah') I know where your loyalties lie. Maybe he did it, but I know his nature and if there is any funny business (sounds to me like there is) the Mosconi geek squad will call him out on it. Then the bca and nytimes should be cancelled as reliable news sources, I have a feeling that their reason for delay in producing the video is due to their own negligence.
If we're allowing JS to create his own rules with respect to breaking "WM's record" straight pool run, common sense would dictate that because he's not required to follow the same "rules" as Willie, he cannot break his record. Although, to me and under those circumstances, it sounds like JS's run may be considered an entirely different record...still, only seeing the video will answer the question. And, at this point, that's all anybody is asking for.
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more lies
Your lies and conjecture are becoming more evident there jazzjeff87, do you work with cnn - or nytimes? Maybe yer a telemarketing person - sorry no sell of approval from me. Do you think if he moved (foul) an object ball with his hand - the run should be considered legit? I'm goin to guess yer good with that eh? You may feel more sheepish when they produce their phony video - if they ever do.
Your lies and conjecture are becoming more evident there jazzjeff87, do you work with cnn - or nytimes? Maybe yer a telemarketing person - sorry no sell of approval from me. Do you think if he moved (foul) an object ball with his hand - the run should be considered legit? I'm goin to guess yer good with that eh? You may feel more sheepish when they produce their phony video - if they ever do.
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I try to support you Danny and this is what I get. Nice.
Nope
I appreciate yer candor and agree it is two different formats, however the game is the same and any legit (fouling an object ball = non legit) run that is in the ball park of Mosconi's 526 should not be totally discredited. Not trying to argue with you, but video proof definitely serves as visual proof.
I appreciate yer candor and agree it is two different formats, however the game is the same and any legit (fouling an object ball = non legit) run that is in the ball park of Mosconi's 526 should not be totally discredited. Not trying to argue with you, but video proof definitely serves as visual proof.
I don't rememberr MAD magazine
I do not remember MAD magazine too well, this is the best I have to offer you Jay until their phony video surfaces big mony bank pool playah - toopay Jay. If the bca asks you to jump - do you ask how high? If I were you I would not show any footage of his antics during our tar match ups, that would not even be politically correct.
I do not remember MAD magazine too well, this is the best I have to offer you Jay until their phony video surfaces big mony bank pool playah - toopay Jay. If the bca asks you to jump - do you ask how high? If I were you I would not show any footage of his antics during our tar match ups, that would not even be politically correct.
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Stu, just to clarify, to me it's not just a number -- OK, the BCA says it's official: 626 -- but I want to know the nature of the run.
I want to be able to speak knowledgeably about it and how it compares to Mosconi's and other runs by legends in the pantheon of 14.1 greats. To me, this is part of being a serious student and fan of the game. I want be able to say, "It was great, a beautiful run." Or...
Without unedited video the full nature of the run will always be in question. Were 626 balls put into the pockets? Sure. But without unedited video the full story of how they were put into those pockets will remain in question and it will always be difficult to fully assess the quality of accomplishment. From this thread it is obvious that there are those to whom a number is just a number. I'm not one of those guys and thankfully there are a number of other fans who feel the same.
Lou Figueroa
quit whinning
your sour grape vindictive lousy attitude is making you look
like a small person and a loser
the fact that you do play a fairly good game of pool is not going to overcome
your miserable character much longer
nothing personal,but you make me sick
and i am not a fan of schmidt as such,he did the most remarkable thing
in pool and might have or might get some good will to pool
attract some players,but when Danny acts like such a jerk pool loses what good might have been done
jealousy and envy is all we hear
oh Lou, i am sorry i overlooked you your critical comments are also kinda off putting
but i felt sorry for you when you were afraid to play john barton even with 8 to 5 the best of it.
a chance of a lifetime slipped away,but why criticize the video,mosconi did not have a video
nothing personal ,i just hated the way you treated john
again nothing personal,there may be a few that can stomach you
i would think you might like to win a tournament or do something noteworthy yourself
instead of knocking,and slandering your fellow man
again nothing personal,i am trying to remember if you won a tounament some time ago
i really only heard of you from your jealous comments
what have you done lately anyway, i don't follow pro
pool much are you still playing if so go run 650 balls and earn some respect
we all know about 100 times more about john and his run than we do about you
or miosconis high run. i mean verification wise
did willie make a foul somewhere that people is a less nerdy critical era
overlooked
your sour grape vindictive lousy attitude is making you look
like a small person and a loser
the fact that you do play a fairly good game of pool is not going to overcome
your miserable character much longer
nothing personal,but you make me sick
and i am not a fan of schmidt as such,he did the most remarkable thing
in pool and might have or might get some good will to pool
attract some players,but when Danny acts like such a jerk pool loses what good might have been done
jealousy and envy is all we hear
oh Lou, i am sorry i overlooked you your critical comments are also kinda off putting
but i felt sorry for you when you were afraid to play john barton even with 8 to 5 the best of it.
a chance of a lifetime slipped away,but why criticize the video,mosconi did not have a video
nothing personal ,i just hated the way you treated john
again nothing personal,there may be a few that can stomach you
i would think you might like to win a tournament or do something noteworthy yourself
instead of knocking,and slandering your fellow man
again nothing personal,i am trying to remember if you won a tounament some time ago
i really only heard of you from your jealous comments
what have you done lately anyway, i don't follow pro
pool much are you still playing if so go run 650 balls and earn some respect
we all know about 100 times more about john and his run than we do about you
or miosconis high run. i mean verification wise
did willie make a foul somewhere that people is a less nerdy critical era
overlooked
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Agreed sir!
I've heard only one person claim to see Willie foul during an exhibition. The gentleman has since passed but, he did say on one "of the many" times that he witnessed Willie play, that Willie did continue to run balls after committing a foul.
The gentleman told me (and others) exactly what the foul was but, I don't remember anything other than it was an OB foul. I assume is was the same as in the clip above.
I don't believe Willie would ever did that and kept shooting during a tournament or private gambling match. Exhibition??? I was told years ago that Willie would keep shooting if he fouled. Now, I have seen it so, I know that he would've.
I guess the older gent knee what he was talking about.
Jeff
the point is simply stated
why demand more from John than we do of Willie?
I don't know if anybody fouled,honestly I don't care
but who are these nobody guys who make demands
their goal is to take away from the winners
truth be told nothing will satisfy them,they will always want more
why demand more from John than we do of Willie?
I don't know if anybody fouled,honestly I don't care
but who are these nobody guys who make demands
their goal is to take away from the winners
truth be told nothing will satisfy them,they will always want more
nsa dean
are yer shadow deep state buddies still spying on people in libraries? I knew there was a reason I blocked u. They say yer just a harmless so I try to give u a pass. your actually appalling and I'm not sure u even realize who yer bitter comments are directed to anymore. Also I noticed u hate alot towards people who are only asking to see proof - good luck with that - you'll need it. The reason u don't keep up on pool is cause u never made a player yourself - maybe too busy being a coward spy of mucho insignificance. If u feel some twitching in yer chest - it's just an irregular, crusty, bitter form of heart beet. Sorry no time 4 the likes of u sir, there is Billiards to play and pool lessons to give.
are yer shadow deep state buddies still spying on people in libraries? I knew there was a reason I blocked u. They say yer just a harmless so I try to give u a pass. your actually appalling and I'm not sure u even realize who yer bitter comments are directed to anymore. Also I noticed u hate alot towards people who are only asking to see proof - good luck with that - you'll need it. The reason u don't keep up on pool is cause u never made a player yourself - maybe too busy being a coward spy of mucho insignificance. If u feel some twitching in yer chest - it's just an irregular, crusty, bitter form of heart beet. Sorry no time 4 the likes of u sir, there is Billiards to play and pool lessons to give.
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ah, a JB fan.
And the way I treated him?! That’s FN and worth a good laugh.
Some how, some way I think I’m going to be able to get over your comments, lol.
Lou Figueroa
8-5?!
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No one is demanding more.
And I can’t help it if some folks are a bit more discerning than others and not willing to swallow the same old same old pool baloney some seem so eager to put down their gullets whole.
Lou Figueroa