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Deep Knowledge - 08-27-2020, 04:50 PM

Do you believe there is such a thing as "deep knowledge" when it comes to pool?

I mean, stuff not found in books or generally discussed? Certainly not the science. More like the knowledge that great players come to learn after years of study, practice and experimentation, hand down from father to son, hoard, maybe occasionally share amongst themselves, and eventually take to their graves.

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08-27-2020, 04:59 PM

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Do you believe there is such a thing as "deep knowledge" when it comes to pool?

... Certainly not the science.
If there is such a thing as "deep knowledge", maybe describing/understanding it "scientifically" would actually limit its power - like observing something makes it "resolve" to one of multiple possibilities in quantum theory.

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08-27-2020, 05:01 PM

I would’ve said no, until I saw some crafty One Pocket.


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08-27-2020, 05:34 PM

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Do you believe there is such a thing as "deep knowledge" when it comes to pool?

I mean, stuff not found in books or generally discussed? Certainly not the science. More like the knowledge that great players come to learn after years of study, practice and experimentation, hand down from father to son, hoard, maybe occasionally share amongst themselves, and eventually take to their graves.

What say you?

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I say yes, it is like doing something over, and over again. Then you get a vision of an easier way to accomplish same thing happen with ease.

Robots are machines, humans have brains, a small percentage of humans use their brains. JMHO.


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08-27-2020, 05:56 PM

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I say yes, it is like doing something over, and over again. Then you get a vision of an easier way to accomplish same thing happen with ease.

Robits ar machines, humans have brains, a small percentage of humans use their brains. JMHO.
, even though his example provides a high frequency activity, which wouldn't be a secret.

I believe there are things few people know, but at this aged time of the game, those are few and becoming fewer.

I also believe knowing things like that is really only measurably beneficial a few times in life- not enough to make a player better than he would otherwise be.


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08-27-2020, 05:58 PM

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I would’ve said no, until I saw some crafty One Pocket.


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I do know this one shot where cb/ ob are close and ob is almost in pocket jaws...hit with secret sauce and the co reverses positions with ob.

OR DO I?


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08-27-2020, 06:02 PM

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08-27-2020, 06:16 PM

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Do you believe there is such a thing as "deep knowledge" when it comes to pool?

I mean, stuff not found in books or generally discussed? Certainly not the science. More like the knowledge that great players come to learn after years of study, practice and experimentation, hand down from father to son, hoard, maybe occasionally share amongst themselves, and eventually take to their graves.

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Not simple verbal tips or secrets of that nature.

But otherwise yes, especially in the complicated games like straight pool and one pocket, where there are numerous choices. There is a certain approach in patterns that is learned through trial and error. Chess masters take years to develop their strategies. Pool is the same. Often the most obvious shot or position play is not the best shot. The more experienced the player, the better they are at determining what strategy is most likely to be successful.

There are some skills that are difficult to teach. Let's say, breaking out a cluster of balls - where to impact that cluster and at what speed to leave yourself a shot and spread the balls without creating more problems or tying up the cue ball, then playing position for that break out. Those kinds of things require mastery of the cue and deep knowledge that comes only through experience.


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Yes is always the right answer, as the answer NO is just like saying, nothing new is ever possible.


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Yes is always the right answer, as the answer NO is just like saying, nothing new is ever possible.

I don’t think he was talking about new knowledge. I think he was talking about hidden secrets passed on from master to apprentice over the ages. Like the dragon scroll in Kung Fu Panda.


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08-27-2020, 07:08 PM

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Do you believe there is such a thing as "deep knowledge" when it comes to pool?

I mean, stuff not found in books or generally discussed? Certainly not the science. More like the knowledge that great players come to learn after years of study, practice and experimentation, hand down from father to son, hoard, maybe occasionally share amongst themselves, and eventually take to their graves.

What say you?

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Of course there is.

I always say if you can imagine it then you can do it or you could never have been able to imagine it.

That's about as close to anything mystical in pool that I know of.
When I have the elbow working and my wrist is right, things happen the way I imagine them consistently.

Don't know if that is what you are talking about.

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My son decided he was moving back home for a while since he didn't want to stay in his apartment and isolate alone.
Great, glad to have him and he is an avid player also.
Watched him discover that the rails are his friend.
Enjoy watching him discover what he can do.
I like watching his eye movements as to what he is looking at as he observes the possibilities of the lay out and what he is planning on doing.


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08-27-2020, 07:13 PM

There are many tricks in pool to make specific shots easier. One example is that when your cue ball is on or near the rail, to grip to cue more firmly.

Nowadays almost all of the tricks and tips can be found in various instructional videos. Now grant it, you might not find all of the best tricks and tips in a single video, but there are certainly some videos that include a treasure trove of these "tricks" and advanced shots and kicks and how to execute them.

I think that there aren't likely many if any tricks or tips that haven't been documented on video at this stage.


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I don’t think he was talking about new knowledge. I think he was talking about hidden secrets passed on from master to apprentice over the ages. Like the dragon scroll in Kung Fu Panda.


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08-27-2020, 07:48 PM

Yes I agree. There things players do which they can't always explain - they just know how to do it.
  
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08-27-2020, 08:01 PM

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Do you believe there is such a thing as "deep knowledge" when it comes to pool?

I mean, stuff not found in books or generally discussed? Certainly not the science. More like the knowledge that great players come to learn after years of study, practice and experimentation, hand down from father to son, hoard, maybe occasionally share amongst themselves, and eventually take to their graves.

What say you?

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Deep knowledge is kind of like the, “far heavy” kind of stuff. I have had far heavy knowledge passed to me just because they liked me and saw that I had the desire to learn. I always payed for my lessons on one level or another. At first it was just a dollar a game.

Respect the game. Some times the knowledge is presented and then overlooked or ignored by others.

Some of my mentors have passed and I strive to uphold the examples they set for me.

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