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Best slate shaving tools and practices? - 03-18-2020, 04:35 PM

I can barely run out on most 9 ball racks much less run 100+ in straight pool. I already have 5" corners and read that I can shave my slates to get better.

Do I really shave them or do I need to get out the grinder? Do I start mid table and cut a big ol groove to the pocket or just carve the edge to have a negative shelf?

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03-18-2020, 05:14 PM

I tried this on the golf course recently, to help improve my putting- digging a shallow trench to the hole from where my ball lied; they asked me to leave the course!
  
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03-18-2020, 05:49 PM

We actually have something similar to the center to pocket (CTP) table shaving crap here in Colorado. With very steep mountain passes that cross over the continental divide at 12,000' above sea level most tractor trailers and passenger vehicles are sporting chains.The roads get deep grooves from the abrasive traction devises that are required on these roads in the winter months. This time of year these grooves are so deep that when traveling in the slow lane you don't even need to hold the steering wheel.


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03-18-2020, 05:52 PM

yep, novel and unique, logical would in his case use a v-groove carbide router bit and a
template bed that go's from 0" to about 1/4" in height.
You only need to have the trough/trench guide to the hole start about 6" from the pocket.

The cool shot is having the object ball come to rest in the trench, wobble a little maybe,
then roll to the pocket, perfect pocket all the time, center cup.


...yeah, I can see that.

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03-18-2020, 06:12 PM

The trick to this is to stretch the cloth tight enough to have it span the gap of the shaved groove so it is not easily seen, the weight of the object ball should be enough to depress the cloth and scoot with gravity.


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03-18-2020, 06:25 PM

Set up some fans

I cant locate the vid of a guy who used one for a trick shot


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03-18-2020, 06:26 PM

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yep, novel and unique, logical would in his case use a v-groove carbide router bit and a
template bed that go's from 0" to about 1/4" in height.
You only need to have the trough/trench guide to the hole start about 6" from the pocket.

The cool shot is having the object ball come to rest in the trench, wobble a little maybe,
then roll to the pocket, perfect pocket all the time, center cup.


...yeah, I can see that.
Dude definitely. It could maybe make a cool game played at slow speeds
  
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03-18-2020, 06:31 PM

Ask John Schmidt- I think he is familiar with the trench to pocket technique - just kidding folks! I think
  
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03-19-2020, 08:27 AM

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03-19-2020, 08:47 AM

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Dude definitely. It could maybe make a cool game played at slow speeds
YES perfect,

1P, pocket only counts if the object ball catches the trench (flute).

I'm not sure if this is helping logical out with his game,

but then???

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03-19-2020, 09:18 AM

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I can barely run out on most 9 ball racks much less run 100+ in straight pool. I already have 5" corners and read that I can shave my slates to get better.

Do I really shave them or do I need to get out the grinder? Do I start mid table and cut a big ol groove to the pocket or just carve the edge to have a negative shelf?

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03-19-2020, 09:21 AM

I know you guys are kidding but some people might actually believe those crazy ideas. Here is the proper way. Note that the vertical scale is exaggerated for clarity.

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The are basically two ways to shave the slate by the pocket. The orthodox or "straight" shave keeps a constant slope from the starting point, which is generally about an inch from the pocket drop, but is adjusted to achieve different efficiencies of pocketing.

The slope is about 2% but this will need to be increased if you use very slow cloth. By contrast, if the cloth is very fast, you should not decrease the slope to match because then you will see a lot of "creepers" where the ball will be moving very slowly for several seconds before it falls.

The "advanced" shave is very effective at eliminating creepers as the ball will accelerate towards the pocket once it has a start. There is considerable art in shaping this shave, and only truly accomplished table fitters should be employed for this task. One such fitter is being discussed right now in another thread.

I hope this clears things up.

P.S. As for how to do it, if this is your first stone/masonry project, you are making a mistake. Hire a good fitter. Do not let him take the slates away to work on them, however.

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Harriman says you need to ask Schmidt.
Yet it's DH and WorldPro that seem to be awfully familiar with tables that have had the process completed...enough that they can spot it on a video they've never seen.


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03-19-2020, 09:54 AM

...huh,
I would not of thought of doing that

went dbl check a set of old amf 9' to see if it they had that, hadn't notice, so
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...huh,
I would not of thought of doing that

went dbl check a set of old amf 9' to see if it they had that, hadn't notice, so
can't say I've seen that before.
I'm not sure if I've really seen it or not since you sort of have to take the cloth off and measure with a straightedge and a feeler gauge. I'm told that tapering the slate into the pocket was common when play was charged by the rack -- no hangers allowed. Some of the tables at the Palace in San Francisco (Brunswicks prior to Centennials) seemed never to hang a ball up.


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