Green Fees at the Rio

cardiac kid

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DogsPlayingPool said:
When did the BCA Nationals have Valleys at the Riviera?
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Dogs,

Until Mark Griffin was kind enough to buy the BCA pool leagues from the BCA, they played all their National events on Valleys. The tables were provided by High Country Promotions from Colorado. They did BCA and VNEA. Actually, APA played on Diamonds till that happened. I've played BCA pool league events for nearly twenty years. The biggest change in all that time was the switch to Diamond seven footers. Wow!!!!

Lyn
 
DogsPlayingPool

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cardiac kid said:
Dogs,

Until Mark Griffin was kind enough to buy the BCA pool leagues from the BCA, they played all their National events on Valleys. The tables were provided by High Country Promotions from Colorado. They did BCA and VNEA. Actually, APA played on Diamonds till that happened. I've played BCA pool league events for nearly twenty years. The biggest change in all that time was the switch to Diamond seven footers. Wow!!!!

Lyn
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Well yeah, OK. The post I responded to led me to believe he was talking recently. :thumbup:
 
RFranklin

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DogsPlayingPool said:
Well yeah, OK. The post I responded to led me to believe he was talking recently. :thumbup:
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I love the fact that cardiac had my back but I have to confess. I was referencing APA on Valleys at the RIv. Again, I dont like Diamond 7 footers (rails too strong) but I will take them with the simonis all day over the valleys with the hood ornament corner covers and incosistent rolls. Also, I still think that $35 to play on Diamonds 24/7, with your own food and drinks. No brainer. I think I played 15+ hours of pool cumulatively outside of the matches so that is a steal. :thumbup:
 
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cardiac kid said:
Bruce,

You are way off base on this one. In general the vast majority (including me) think the green fees were somewhat high, not excessive. Not having to carry large coins around and all the tables being open 24/7 was a high point of the event not a low point. There were no "door police" so you could bring in outside food and beverage. A big, big improvement over past years at the Riv.

Now why would you want to boycott an event like this? CSI does a great job of giving thousands of amateur players like me a series of great events to play in. Yes, there were problems. Every event has them. Free entry into the pro event area was a plus. Parking was fine. Food and alcoholic beverages were expensive but the Gold Coast was a five minute walk away.

From the tone of your comment, my best guess is you didn't attended the Rio event. If so, continue to personally boycott the event. CSI probably won't miss you. I'm already qualified and have airline reservations for next year in July.

Lyn
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Off base not, you missed the point. We as consumers have the power to spend our money where we like. If we, or you, or the other person has a beef with something that can not be rectified to the point you, I, or the other guy is still unhappy. I say move on, or just don't play.

About 3-4 years ago I had what I will call a bad situation in a sports bar I use to go to twice a month for a tournament. I made my case to the TD about a drunk who was constantly being verbally abusive, and using his outburst as a form of sharking. The TD informed me the guy bought a lot of drinks, and was a personal friend of the owner.

I have not been back to that sports bar in over 4 years, as I had a problem. The problem was not resolved, so I spoke with my dollars.

I am sure they did not miss this only bi weekly players income from a few soft drinks, but I resolved the situation myself by not going to that sports bar any longer.

Call it a boycott or what you want but I made a promise to myself never ever to spend any money in that establishment.

As for the going to Las Vegas it has been 4, or 5 years since I was up in Las Vegas, and never had any desire to play in the BCAPL, or CSI Event. Did go up a could of years just to watch the BCAPL.
 
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sbpoolleague

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DogsPlayingPool said:
When did the BCA Nationals have Valleys at the Riviera?

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Let's face it, Vegas is not like it used to be before it went corporate. Now it is all a real estate game, ROI on the square footage whether it's the casino, room, pool, shops, or restaurants and bars. It's not cheap anymore unless you want the whole thing done on the cheap. I think overall the move to the Rio is a big step up but that comes with a cost. Personally I think it is well worth it for the better experience.
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The last time the BCAPL Nationals used Valley tables was in 2005. Diamonds have been in use since then. As I recall, the pockets on the Valley tables were enormous. Same for the Diamonds in 2006. It wasn't until 2007 that they started tightening up the pockets.
 
ne14tennis

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sbpoolleague said:
The last time the BCAPL Nationals used Valley tables was in 2005. Diamonds have been in use since then. As I recall, the pockets on the Valley tables were enormous. Same for the Diamonds in 2006. It wasn't until 2007 that they started tightening up the pockets.
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Someone with more knowledge than I can weigh in and correct me but we also experienced Diamond tables at the Texas State Championships around 2005. My understanding is that the APA had made an arrangement with Diamond to produce tables with bigger pockets for their league and then (Whatever reason i'm not sure) backed out. The people that do tourneys using Diamonds had these APA specification tables for use so that's why there was a big difference on some of the tournaments using Diamonds 7 or 8 years ago
 
DogsPlayingPool

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ne14tennis said:
Someone with more knowledge than I can weigh in and correct me but we also experienced Diamond tables at the Texas State Championships around 2005. My understanding is that the APA had made an arrangement with Diamond to produce tables with bigger pockets for their league and then (Whatever reason i'm not sure) backed out. The people that do tourneys using Diamonds had these APA specification tables for use so that's why there was a big difference on some of the tournaments using Diamonds 7 or 8 years ago
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Just a guess, but the APA backing out might have had something to do with Mark Griffin's involvement with Diamond, though I'm not sure when that came about.
 
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Pissed off when I got there, nothing was ready, Mark was running around with his head cut off. Got plenty of practice in during the 12 days I was there. Bad Boy did an excellent job w minis. Rio was expensive but the Riv is ghetto. I was on vacation playing pool, so there are expenses! Way nicer crowd, venue and tourney. In the end, Mark and staff did awesome job with the delay they were dealt. Sucked ass in singles, my BCA team can barely win locals. Made good money in minis met some great people. Played pool for 12 days str8 til I couldnt see. My new BCA team this year will cash. I will cash in singles and I will spend 2x as much as the Riv. Ill just have to have 2x as much fun! Keep the freaking lights on and GTF out poker players. lol.
 
cardiac kid

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Think the nice folks at the poker tournament failed to vacate the last ball room on time. Also saw Mark running around looking both for solutions and the people to fix the problems. Other than the power going out during the storm, this was the best BCAPL event I've attended over the 20 or so years I've attended.

Just looked at the ACS website. Their national event is going to green fees as well. Only the APA requires you to pay dollars for practice time now. Look forward to meeting you at this years event. Just look for the really old guy with the cane and very dark sun glasses :rolleyes: :eek:.

Lyn
 
DogsPlayingPool

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cardiac kid said:
Dogs, to finish my disguise I try to shoot a few balls with the bumper end of the cue. Actually make one once in a while :D. The mark usually figures it out pretty fast!!!!

Lyn
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I do find if struck just right you can get some kick ass masse shots off the rubber end. :grin-square:
 
tucson9ball

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CocoboloCowboy said:
Off base not, you missed the point. We as consumers have the power to spend our money where we like. If we, or you, or the other person has a beef with something that can not be rectified to the point you, I, or the other guy is still unhappy. I say move on, or just don't play.

About 3-4 years ago I had what I will call a bad situation in a sports bar I use to go to twice a month for a tournament. I made my case to the TD about a drunk who was constantly being verbally abusive, and using his outburst as a form of sharking. The TD informed me the guy bought a lot of drinks, and was a personal friend of the owner.

I have not been back to that sports bar in over 4 years, as I had a problem. The problem was not resolved, so I spoke with my dollars.

I am sure they did not miss this only bi weekly players income from a few soft drinks, but I resolved the situation myself by not going to that sports bar any longer.

Call it a boycott or what you want but I made a promise to myself never ever to spend any money in that establishment.

As for the going to Las Vegas it has been 4, or 5 years since I was up in Las Vegas, and never had any desire to play in the BCAPL, or CSI Event. Did go up a could of years just to watch the BCAPL.
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Let me get this straight, you went to play pool in a bar and ran into a drunk? Did you think the place would be full Nuns or Priests? Your killin me!!!

Why don't you just say it like it is? Your not a good pool player and you would rather ***** and moan about a well run organization than try to improve your game to the point where you could actually compete.

Ok, I'm done..........:mad:
 
jgdwvu11

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I have heard all the issues etc and I see both points of the issue. The fees are there to pay for tables and help...but the fees are WAY TO HIGH. $20-$30 for singles and $50 teams are plenty. The BCA makes money off the Rooms and registration fees...no need to make that much money from the AM's to pay the Pros...charge the pros more and get more sponsorship money...very simple...

Billiards has grown over the last 5 years and people are learning a lot about the leagues and the fees...the decline is going to keep happening if the greed doesn't stop...

VNEA is almost dead...NAPA killed themselves last year with the BS...BCA is next in line...time to wake up.

The RIO is top notch so of course the costs are high...I would not be surprised with BCA or CSI get a small % of FNB sales also...the RIO wants you to gamble...you gamble..you pay nothing...very simple...I am a preferred member there...never have paid a dime for anything there...so that is not the issue...the issue is paying multiple green fees and not having enough tables to have practice or gambling time to make up for it...
 
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cardiac kid

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jgdwvu11 said:
Billiards has grown over the last 5 years and people are learning a lot about the leagues and the fees...the decline is going to keep happening if the greed doesn't stop...
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OK Jay, which is it? Billiards is growing or is it declining? Am I missing something?

Lyn
 
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Matty_B said:
I'll preface this by saying this was the first time I'd been to BCAPL Nationals, though I have been to APA Nationals a few times.

I liked the greens fees, but I only played in the 8ball singles, which had a $30 greens fee (I think). That got me 3 days of all-I-could-play, meaning a per-day cost of $10. I think most people would be very happy if their pool hall only charged $10/day. Or, to beak it down differently, I played about 8.5hrs, including practice. That's works out to about $3.50/hr for table time. That's not exactly breaking the bank. Plus, as mentioned earlier, no dealing with tokens AND I also got to watch the pros. No complaints here!

(I can see how it might be different for players there for teams where tables are scarce or for people playing multiple events and paying multiple greens fees.)

As for the venue, I really liked the Rio. Decent rooms and the tournament area was much nicer... seemed roomier and fewer bottlenecks. The food seemed pricier than the Riv, but I think that had more to do with the lack of low-end options. I never thought I'd say it, but I missed that food court at the Riv... maybe it wasn't the best food, but it was quick and (relatively) cheap.

I'm definitely going to be attending BCAPL Nationals many more times.
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though I have been to APA Nationals a few times.


And you admitted that in public? LOL
 
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