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Developing Expertise In Pool - 07-17-2019, 02:59 PM

As players strive to get better they focus on the fundamentals, but is that the path to being an expert? They say elite athlete’s advancement lies in their ability to make finer and finer distinctions. Skiers learn to differentiate between types of snow, current weather effects, how packed it is and then minute shifts in the edges and placement of weight on the skis to make high speed adjustments. Where most race car drivers focus on the 3 basic parts of a turn, entry, apex and exit, and think 2 corners ahead, world renowned driver, Jackie Stewart, when tested, focused only on the current turn, it’s details and his descriptions and fMRI results showed he segmented turns into 8 parts. He knew the devil was in the details. Breaking down the skill into minute awareness bits allowed him to find the small ways he could gain time on his opponents. When tested he didn’t show better reaction time than other drivers. He learned where to focus to get his edge.

The question players, who want to take their game to the next level, need to ask themselves is "what part of what I’m doing can give me an incremental advantage."

What do you think is the primary area, of finer distinctions, that most likely will lead to expertise in pool?
  
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07-17-2019, 03:12 PM

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07-17-2019, 03:21 PM

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On what? How would you know if you did it? Is it an inner cognitive thing? Or, is it outwards onto part of the execution like Jackie Stewart? How would you measure it? Please be more specific, there are tons of generalities out there like HAMB.
  
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07-17-2019, 03:29 PM

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On what? How would you know if you did it? Is it an inner cognitive thing? Or, is it outwards onto part of the execution like Jackie Stewart? How would you measure it? Please be more specific, there are tons of generalities out there like HAMB.
Id know if i did when the shot goes and i win?


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07-17-2019, 03:40 PM

When Greg Louganis was posting perfect dives at the Olympics, one of the commentators said the key to his success, was his perfect positioning at the top of the dive. Years later writing about his success, Louganis said his key was to be able to get into a great entry position from all the wrong places at the top.

"Octavio Antonio FernŠndez Castro (born June 30, 1962), better known as Tony FernŠndez, is a former Dominican Major League Baseball player most noted for his defensive skills, setting a nine-year record for shortstops with a .992 fielding percentage in 1989,[1] and a still active single-season fielding percentage record for third basemen with .991 in 1994. From Wikipedia."

Tony said that during his days as a child learning to field he set up a target to throw to. He then threw a ball against a wall and fielded the rebound. Whatever position the dive for the ball put him in his objective was to do it so that he could still throw the ball on target. He learned to throw the ball from all the bad positions he could find himself in. The standard training of infield positions involves fielding position, transitioning to throwing position while transferring the ball from glove to hand to execute. Trying to go through those base fundamentals takes time, time fielders often can’t afford.
Situations dictate needed tools.

Base fundamentals are primarily theoretical models. The reality of play on the table is about obstacle navigation, cueing from all the wrong positions. Navigating the environment, both the inner mental one and/or the potentially distracting outer one, it’s part of the imperfections (wrong positions), we find ourselves having to perform out of.

Where is a place in the pool game that being able to navigate more successfully is going to bring us expertise?

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07-17-2019, 04:05 PM

Here's the secret: Work on pocketing the object ball, without scratching; while at the same time getting shape to pocket the next object ball.


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GREAT Post. - 07-17-2019, 04:12 PM

I like your thinking.....007

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I like your thinking.....
And I'm a Steelers fan, too!!!


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Here's the secret: Work on pocketing the object ball, without scratching; while at the same time getting shape to pocket the next object ball.
Actually the secret to success has two parts which I will share with you now

1. Never divulge everything you know.....
  
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07-17-2019, 05:52 PM

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... The reality of play on the table is about obstacle navigation, cueing from all the wrong positions. ...
Without doing a study, I'd say that fewer than 1 in 10 shots requires something other than the top three bridges: hand on the table, bridging on the rail, using the mechanical bridge. Do you think it is higher?


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07-17-2019, 06:06 PM

Pool is all about execution, imo.

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Pool is all about execution, imo.

I keel ya.
It helps if the player knows what's actually possible. I've seen lots of impossible shots attempted, usually in what they are trying to do with the cue ball. Like shots Efren couldn't make.


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07-17-2019, 06:13 PM

Without trying to seem accusatory, I'll say you're waaayyyyyyy overthinking this. If you're just starting this game, you need to play. And then play. Then play more... and then more.

And watch great players. In person, if possible. On Youtube if not. And if in person, even if they're not world-beaters ( like most at your local poolroom ), if they're *good* players, ask questions. All they can do is tell you to take a hike. Most will probably answer your questions.

And don't forget to play.

And play some more.

And then more...




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Obstacle navigation misunderstanding - 07-17-2019, 06:17 PM

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Without doing a study, I'd say that fewer than 1 in 10 shots requires something other than the top three bridges: hand on the table, bridging on the rail, using the mechanical bridge. Do you think it is higher?
I was just trying to make the point that not every shot is under ideal conditions. We get too close to the rail. We don’t always navigate around the balls and hook ourselves or create cueing problems. The best players also face those problems but most of the time regroup and make the shot or safety. The same with position. Getting dead straight by under or over cueing can turn an otherwise simple run out into a problem.

I’m trying to mine the minds of players trying to get better for a sense of what they feel would take them to the next level. The finer and finer distinctions is just one idea. A skier could make finer distinctions between the different feel of the air on his face with different turns but you can bet he won’t get better from getting in touch with those differences. The differences that make a difference was the discussion I was hoping would occur. Instead I got platitudes Instead of something thoughtful. Thanks for your response it shows that you gave a part some thought.

I’m beginning to think that most players have no idea what they need to do to get better. They think hitting more balls is the answer. There is nothing specific that they can build a plan around. This platform seems an ideal place for them to share ideas and help find the nuggets that help players. I personally think that what players need is usually different at different times. The development of a players game benefits from what is most relevant for them at the stage they are at. This forum should help connect players with what resonates with their current game. Teaching a beginner the intricacies of massŤ is an example of a mismatch.

There is no right or wrong answer only twists and turns on the journey to a better game.

Few want to share. I will continue to share, but I’d like to find kindred travelers on the same road.

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