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02-12-2019, 05:21 AM

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I have been a player since I was 13 years old. League play for about the last 25 years or so. I have owned many cues over the years and built cues for over 20 years. I want to enlighten you about cues. I have recently gotten rid of most of my custom cues. I have had over 80 custom cues over the years and have reached this conclusion. The custom cues are simply not worth the money. I have had cues from the best cue makers in the world. If you are looking for a good player you don't have to spend custom prices to get one. If you are looking for art work then maybe a custom is for you. The production cues have come a long way in the last few years. I presently have a Meucci, Predator P3 and a Fury production cue. All three are good hitting cues. The Predator is the most perfect cue. It is dead straight and machined perfectly. I think it is the best cue on the market today. It is the Mercedes of cues. You can do more with it than any other cue. However, it is the least forgiving of all the cues. I wouldn't recommend it to anybody below a 6 average. It is definitely for the better player. The Meucci is a delight to play with. Nice hit and very predictable and affordable. The Fury is very affordable and dead straight. It plays nice with no surprises. The only Custom cues I am keeping is one I built for myself and a Segen S2 model. The Segen is a 59" cue built by a Schon cue builder. The cue is perfect and dead straight. It plays well and is predictable. These cues play as well or better than most of the 80 customs I have had over the years. So why pay custom prices? It doesn't make sense because the customs simply don't play better. I know, I have had them all. There is not a custom cue maker on the planet that can build a cue with the technology that Predator has. They don't have the machinery to do it. That is why Predator shafts are expensive. Bill Stroud said it took him 25 hours to build a $5000 cue. That divides out to him getting $200 per hour for his $5000 cue. If you think it is worth that much then be my guest. As for me I am done with Custom Cue makers.
I do agree with you. Production cues work just fine. I do have one custom, my everyday player, that I designed along with the cue maker. The production cue I was using hit and played just fine. I built the custom simply simply for the aesthetics. I love looking at it's old school classic design.

A very good player can take a stick off of the wall and beat everyone in the house. Many collectors and aficionados of butts and shafts will argue with me on this but I still say it's the Indian not the arrow.


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02-18-2019, 07:57 PM

Predator shafts are made out of scrap wood which would be in a burn pile somewhere if they didn't slice it up and glue it back together.

Never saw one yet you could bump into anything harder than your elbow without it getting dented.

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03-17-2019, 10:05 AM

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Your post is more akin to a rant than anything else.
Calling Rtoron's post a rant is ridiculous. He's merely stating his point of view in a reasonable way. It's OK to disagree and if you do feel free to state your opposing points. I tend to agree with him but I also feel that anyone that has the money and wants to buy a $10,000 custom cue should do so. Why not? Pool cues and how they play are completely subjective so there really is no right or wrong on the topic, but it could be argued that the big production companies do have technology and precision equipment that gives them an advantage. Your post is the one that is unhelpful. In the future please add something of value to a conversation or silence would be a preferable course of action.


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03-18-2019, 09:13 PM

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Just trying to save everybody a buck.
That is why most people stick with a few cues not 80 hehe.

Just for playing there is no need for a custom cue since most players put on some other LD shaft on the thing. Although there are many makers that make their own custom LD shafts that play as good if not better.

I for one have run across two Predator shafts I like, the Z shaft, and not even all of those, and the Revo. OB I like a few models of that. My favorite two are a shaft that a local custom maker made and the Revo. The HXT shaft is pretty good also but the feel is just not quite there.

There are still reasons to get a custom cue made or bought used, same reason there are 20 car brands and 200 models and that watch makers exist past the Timex level, and pen makers are around not just BIC. Pocket knives, chess sets, everything can be elevated. Heck, you can get luxury bed sheets for $300 vs the $50 wal mart stuff that is still just fine to use.

I don't think I have ever gotten a cue just for it's performance, outside of a shaft. Heck, even the cheap production cues are vanity, there is more than one model of Players for example, with pretty colors and shapes you can pick from.

I like being able to point to some guy and say "he made this for me in his basement" vs this thing came out of some place in China (or Wisconsin even for example) along 3,000 others just like it. No one sees a Predator and asks "hey, who made that cue?" and then starts up a conversation about his production cues and their history. "Ah yes, I remember my first cue from China, it was the 1034 model, they only made 10,000 of those".


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03-22-2019, 10:58 AM

A dodge demon is a beast off the line and cost $80k, what does a Ferrari that has a slower 0-60 time cost....

Everyone is different and their optimal setup is different. LD shafts are not the end all be all for cues. I know a lot of top tier players that won't get near an LD shaft, doesn't mean they suck it just means they aren't meant for everyone. You should know that as a cuemaker. Balance part & feel of the entire cue is pretty important.

BTW, the majority of opinions I've seen is that Mezz cues are far superior to Predators. I've tried Predator cues/shafts and hated them. I wanted a banger cue when I go out and bought a Mezz with a wx700 to play with and fell in love with it. I've since bought the same shaft for my customs. It doesn't mean my custom shafts suck, it's I don't want to have the variability between shafts. That's why I changed to a production shaft, so as I change cues I have the same deflection.
  
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04-11-2019, 09:24 PM

Just my opinion -- if your player is a custom made cue and you have been playing with it for a long time and lets say something happens to it - I do not believe that the cue maker can make you another that will take its place that will hit and feel the same but a good modern production line cue, Predator, Cuetec, Shon, Meucci, Mezz, Falcon , Schuler etc. to name a few , you can easily re-adapt to as far as replacement goes.


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07-05-2019, 09:43 AM

I would agree that no 2 cues would provide the same hit. So a custom maker will not able to 100% duplicate a previous cue.

However, that logic also applies to production cues, probably more so though, since Q&A is not as stringent.

I have had an opportunity to try many different cues, with many different shafts. I can honestly say, no two hit alike. some were similar, but not identical. I saw the biggest difference between the exact same model production cue. An schon Stl19, tried different shafts, between the two butts, and one hit great, and one hit hollow.

I have both production and custom in my case. I just picked up a Sugartree from Eric, a wrapless full splice with 2 shafts that is considerably cheaper than the P3 the OP mentioned. It is the best cue I ever hit with. I have let many people at the hall try it, and even people who swear by their preds, have said it hits better than their Icon, or sneaky, or thrones.

As for the cost argument, that falls short. You can get a great custom cue from reputable cuemaker for less than a lot of production cues. there is a Nitti for sale right now for $650 in the for sale forum. Point is there are really expensive production cues, and really expensive customs. There are also reasonably priced cues in both areas.

the people who say it boils down to the players preference and the cue they prefer are correct. Cost, custom, production, LD, solid maple ... all of it plays a role, but in the end if the player likes what they use then good on them.

I am glad the OP likes his Pred. I still think my new sugartree for less, is better though
  
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08-01-2019, 04:37 AM

The outcome of a match is determined by 98% you and 2% your equipment.
Play with what you like, enjoy it, and work on your game.

Nobody has ever lost a match because they played with a custom and not a mezz or a schon etc. Most matches are lost standing up. Shooting the wrong ball picking the wrong speed the wrong english, not trusting your stroke, swing thoughts, etc. ( also no way in hell a predator butt hits significantly better than say a mezz butt or a custom. I’ve played with them all. Once you adjust it doesnt really matter ). Also predator cues are ugly in my opinion that’s why I sold all mine, no regrets. Btw the worst hitting cues I ever touched were cheap production cues.




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08-14-2019, 03:13 PM

I have a bunch of Viking cues for guest/house cues in my home. I buy them with the cheapest low end Viking shaft and throw the shaft away. Instead I like to play around with different shafts from different makers on them. I have Viking Vikore, Viking ExactShot, Predator 314-3, Jacoby Edge Hybrid, Mezz wx700 and others. All are different but all are fine production products.

I am with the OP right up to focusing in on Predator as having something over other production cue manufacturers....I just dont see it, but for him it may be the right one. I currently tend to grab the Jacoby Edge or ExactShot but it's really personal preferance once you are up in the $2-300 shaft range.

Cheap production cues are some of the worst products out there. They all seem to have a budget line with very little in common with their better cues and every one of them is junk.

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