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Run out Layout using Center Ball - 12-12-2017, 01:22 PM

Any instructor out there have layouts where 9 / 10 / or 8 ball can be run utilizing only centerball hit?

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12-12-2017, 02:54 PM

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Any instructor out there have layouts where 9 / 10 / or 8 ball can be run utilizing only centerball hit?

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That is Robin Dreyer's expertise. But, you have to go see him as he is not on AZB.


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12-12-2017, 04:03 PM

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Any instructor out there have layouts where 9 / 10 / or 8 ball can be run utilizing only centerball hit?

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Do you mean with no side spin or with no spin on the cue ball at all?


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12-13-2017, 05:53 AM

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Any instructor out there have layouts where 9 / 10 / or 8 ball can be run utilizing only centerball hit?

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Center ball hit or vertical axis? There's a ton of cue ball control to be gained by going just above or below center.


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12-14-2017, 01:21 PM

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Just center ball hit. No vertical axis as you can do a lot with Top or bottom.
  
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12-19-2017, 05:06 AM

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Just center ball hit. No vertical axis as you can do a lot with Top or bottom.
this drill is from robin dreyer's website (a great instructor btw )
is this what you are asking for?
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12-19-2017, 05:46 AM

It is one thing to practice a predefined stop shot layout it is another thing to recognize a stop shot pattern. To borrow a drill from one of Bert Kinister's tapes, setup three balls to break, them take ball in hand a look for a stop shot pattern. Pocket the three balls with a stop shots. Once you become proficient at three, add another ball and continue until you can complete an entire rack.


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12-19-2017, 06:29 AM

I've found it curious how many pool books and instructional materials emphasize connect-the-dots stop drills as fundamental or even very helpful when players will 1) see a degree of movement with the cue ball on most cuts 2) should often reserve straight-in shots for the end of the rack, particularly in rotation games.


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It is one thing to practice a predefined stop shot layout it is another thing to recognize a stop shot pattern. To borrow a drill from one of Bert Kinister's tapes, setup three balls to break, them take ball in hand a look for a stop shot pattern. Pocket the three balls with a stop shots. Once you become proficient at three, add another ball and continue until you can complete an entire rack.
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I've found it curious how many pool books and instructional materials emphasize connect-the-dots stop drills as fundamental or even very helpful when players will 1) see a degree of movement with the cue ball on most cuts 2) should often reserve straight-in shots for the end of the rack, particularly in rotation games.
Could it be that the idea is to discipline players into developing a pure stroke through the use of that center ball hit.
Then as they become more proficient, they themselves will be able to notice these degrees of movement of which you speak and adjust accordingly by controlling the velocity of the hits?
Thereby avoiding the use of spin unless absolutely necessary to aid in position play or 'killing' the cueball.
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Could it be that the idea is to discipline players into developing a pure stroke through the use of that center ball hit.
Then as they become more proficient, they themselves will be able to notice these degrees of movement of which you speak and adjust accordingly by controlling the velocity of the hits?
Thereby avoiding the use of spin unless absolutely necessary to aid in position play or 'killing' the cueball.
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Yes, that's half of it. The other half is the "look for stop shots to runout". This leads to "Look for an in-out pattern leaving two key balls and a triangle for the Eight Ball run . . . wait, what are you doing?"

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12-20-2017, 09:30 AM

Don't waste your time with dead center drills. They're not helpful to your development as a player. If you want to do a stun-type drill without side spin, then use the entire vertical center axis.

Why? Because even if you aren't using side spin, it's important to know how to control the speed of the cue ball, the point at which it begins to slide, and the length of the slide by using back spin, and even sometimes top spin.


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Don't waste your time with dead center drills. They're not helpful to your development as a player. If you want to do a stun-type drill without side spin, then use the entire vertical center axis.

Why? Because even if you aren't using side spin, it's important to know how to control the speed of the cue ball, the point at which it begins to slide, and the length of the slide by using back spin, and even sometimes top spin.
Excellent advice.

While it's important to know where the cue ball is going if you hit it dead center, such shots are comparatively rare in play. Learn the vertical axis.


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12-20-2017, 10:10 AM

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Just center ball hit. No vertical axis as you can do a lot with Top or bottom.
Need more clarification. Are you talking about the same effect as a stop shot if the ob is hit full, or do you really mean just a center ball hit?

If using just a center ball hit, are you aware that over distance it will be the same as follow from an above center hit?
  
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Don't waste your time with dead center drills. They're not helpful to your development as a player. If you want to do a stun-type drill without side spin, then use the entire vertical center axis.

Why? Because even if you aren't using side spin, it's important to know how to control the speed of the cue ball, the point at which it begins to slide, and the length of the slide by using back spin, and even sometimes top spin.
Zero-X Pattern drills are perfect for this.


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