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Something Your Teacher Can Teach You... - 11-22-2017, 10:09 AM

Look at the 2 ball on the end rail. How would you get shape on it? Here is a little video that I learned from my instructor. Just a little bit of "force follow" CB, hitting the rail first, enough to get shape. https://youtu.be/Y7cyXUkm8L4 Just a reason why you should find and learn from a valuable pool instructor. You can always learn more than you know.


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11-22-2017, 10:24 AM

You mean rail first?

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Look at the 2 ball on the end rail. How would you get shape on it? Here is a little video that I learned from my instructor. Just a little bit of "force follow" CB enough to get shape. https://youtu.be/Y7cyXUkm8L4 Just a reason why you should find and learn from a valuable pool instructor. You can always learn more than you know.


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11-22-2017, 10:40 AM

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You mean rail first?
I changed the OP to mention that I did hit the rail first. Still take a bit of force follow CB to go down the table without hitting the obstruction balls. I am sure you know this but how many others do not?


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11-22-2017, 02:57 PM

That's a nice shot, but I would use low right, hit the ob directly, and let the cb hug the rail all the way down the table. Just a matter of preference, I guess.


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11-22-2017, 03:32 PM

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That's a nice shot, but I would use low right, hit the ob directly, and let the cb hug the rail all the way down the table. Just a matter of preference, I guess.
This is the shot that I was thinking. It looks like he pulled that shot off due to fairly new cloth maybe?


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That's a nice shot, but I would use low right, hit the ob directly, and let the cb hug the rail all the way down the table. Just a matter of preference, I guess.
Yeah, I like low here also -- for me it seems easier to control and more consistent to execute. But top spin shots do look nice.


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That's a nice shot, but I would use low right, hit the ob directly, and let the cb hug the rail all the way down the table. Just a matter of preference, I guess.
True a couple of ways to hit the shot but there are many shots using FF that we would use if we thought about it. Just something nice to know....


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11-23-2017, 10:48 AM

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Look at the 2 ball on the end rail. How would you get shape on it? Here is a little video that I learned from my instructor. Just a little bit of "force follow" CB, hitting the rail first, enough to get shape. https://youtu.be/Y7cyXUkm8L4 Just a reason why you should find and learn from a valuable pool instructor. You can always learn more than you know.
Dr. Dave refers to that as rail dribble. The rolling cue ball does not lose momentum and continues back into the rail. Handy but hard to control accurately. You hit ball first and has to be a pretty full hit.
  
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Look at the 2 ball on the end rail. How would you get shape on it? Here is a little video that I learned from my instructor. Just a little bit of "force follow" CB, hitting the rail first, enough to get shape. https://youtu.be/Y7cyXUkm8L4 Just a reason why you should find and learn from a valuable pool instructor. You can always learn more than you know.
Dr. Dave refers to that as rail dribble. The rolling cue ball does not lose momentum and continues back into the rail. Handy but hard to control accurately. You hit ball first and has to be a pretty full hit. He shows several examples and uses of it in his DVD series.
  
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Dr. Dave refers to that as rail dribble. The rolling cue ball does not lose momentum and continues back into the rail. Handy but hard to control accurately. You hit ball first and has to be a pretty full hit. He shows several examples and uses of it in his DVD series.
We call it force-follow and there are many examples where it is the only shot available to get the CB to where it needs to be.


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We call it force-follow and there are many examples where it is the only shot available to get the CB to where it needs to be.
I mean he calls it rail dribble when you use force follow on a ball close to the rail, like a hanger, so the cue ball rebounds back then surges forward again. It is just the double pump into the rail which kills the cue ball and keeps it from bouncing back which refers to as the dribble part.

Yes, he demonstrates several uses. I try it, as you say, when it is the only good option but it is not a shot I am great at.

The most important part of this shot for me was learning not to hit the hanger too squarely if I wanted the cue ball to rebound back down table. Anything over 3/4 ball hit and it stalls out.

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I mean he calls it rail dribble when you use force follow on a ball close to the rail, like a hanger, so the cue ball rebounds back then surges forward again. It is just the double pump into the rail which kills the cue ball and keeps it from bouncing back which re refers to as the dribble part.

Yes, he demonstrates several uses. I do it, as you say, when it is the only good option but it is not a shot I am great at.

The most important part of this shot for me was learning not to hit the hanger too squarely if I wanted the cue ball to rebound back down table. Anything over 3/4 ball hit and it stalls out.
My teacher knows dozens of shots where it is the only way to get the CB to certain spots. He can use it for perfect position, bust out balls, perform safeties, etc. You don't want the 9 or 10 ball anywhere near a pocket or it will be gone. I posted this because there are a lot of pool players hating this shot because it occurs when they don't want it to for ball in jaws. But, it can be very useful to know.


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This is the shot that I was thinking. It looks like he pulled that shot off due to fairly new cloth maybe?
Yep. My thoughts too. Looks like the cb slid in a helpful way a bit there.


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We call it force-follow and there are many examples where it is the only shot available to get the CB to where it needs to be.
Is it force follow if you hit a rail first?


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Is it force follow if you hit a rail first?
I think force follow is the CB spinning forward like a car burning out on the tires, peeling rubber. If the CB does this and hits the OB first or the rail first, it's still "force-follow".


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