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where do you hit on the cb to make a spot shot? - 05-09-2020, 12:03 PM

and off the rail?

'specially to that fella that hit 1000 in a row, please feel free to chime in


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05-09-2020, 12:06 PM

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05-09-2020, 12:38 PM

To finish a warm up, I often freeze the cue ball to the Head Rail at the center diamond and place a money ball on the Foot Spot. I make it in the Left corner pocket then respot the ball and make it in the right corner pocket.

Center follow at pocket speed, maybe a bit faster. Make them both without a miss and I'm typically ready to play.
  
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where do you hit on the cb to make a spot shot? - 05-09-2020, 12:41 PM

At the end of the day I think they are just another shot. I avoid side spin if I can. Iíll either roll it in or load it up with top or bottom depending on what the shot demands. I just avoid stunning the cueball because that feels like a scratch. Iím not afraid to use side spin on just about any shot but only if position calls for it. Iím never one to put helper English on shots.

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05-09-2020, 12:45 PM

Put the cue ball on the kitchen line one diamond from the side rail. A center hit rolling half ball hit (center of cue ball aimed right at edge of object ball) will make it.

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05-09-2020, 02:45 PM

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... 'specially to that fella that hit 1000 in a row, please feel free to chime in
You mean Spot Shot Kenny. There's a video of him shooting spot shots. He puts the cue ball on the head spot. I don't think Kenny has ever posted here.

... edit ... see post 60 in this thread: https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=6263


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05-09-2020, 02:49 PM

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interesting
I guess he says look at the edge of the ob to help aim
but if I actually hit the edge of the ob, I would overcut it
I'd like to try it tho

I asked about the rail version because honestly,
that's the shot I've practiced
I've seldom shot proper spot shots in practice, or in a game
off the rail, I naturally put a little outside english on the ball
and make contact just a little inside the ball
of where I would with a rolling cb
but as time goes on, I'm trying to use less side
if for no other reason, than to be familiar shooting up and down

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05-09-2020, 03:02 PM

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You mean Spot Shot Kenny. There's a video of him shooting spot shots. He puts the cue ball on the head spot. I don't think Kenny has ever posted here.

... edit ... see post 60 in this thread: https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=6263
thanks bob
I'd seen that but don't think I'd noticed he was shooting off the head spot
impressive..I guess that would be at least a little more difficult than shooting closer to the rail
but maybe it's easier? like in johnny's post, maybe aiming/hitting the edge every time is easier
than having to deal with the rest of the ob

also, per my original curiousness
it looks like kenny is shooting with a bit of outside..?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFLQeV4kvMc

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05-09-2020, 03:02 PM

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He is placing the cue ball too far towards the center of the table for a half-ball hit. His stick should be passing over some part of the corner pocket. This is pretty simple geometry and he got it wrong.


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05-09-2020, 03:19 PM

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... it looks like kenny is shooting with a bit of outside..?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFLQeV4kvMc
It's often hard to tell what a player will actually do on the stroke. You should be able to tell whether he uses side spin by where the cue ball goes. That will also tell you whether you have side spin. Does your cut-left spot shot go along a similar path as your cut-right spot shot?


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05-09-2020, 03:52 PM

Generally about 3/4 of a tip above center for a spot shot from the kitchen.

When the cue ball is frozen to head rail, you only have the top 1/8 or maybe
1/4 of the cue ball to stroke so I shoot center ball and reposition my grip or
my hand to only a couple of inches from the top of the cue’s wrap. I use a
piston movement & stroke the ball medium speed using 3-4” follow through.

I have an Elephant training cue ball that’s 1/2 white and 1/2 red. I shoot using
that ball doing both these practice shots so I can spot any wiggle or wobble on
the cue ball that can inadvertently throw the object ball off upon being contacted.

The goal is to stroke the cue ball where the vertical roll is steady as a straight
line or as close as you can attain. Not many players can just take the cue ball
and stroke it from the kitchen on a 9 ft table to the end rail and back to the head
rail totally wiggle free 4-5x or more in a row. You can’t pound the cue ball or you
defeat the purpose of seeing your stroke in action because velocity hides flaws.

After you know you can stroke the cue ball completely in a perpendicular roll and
not have any horizontal wiggle, or a very minuscule amount, spot shots are simple.


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05-09-2020, 04:13 PM

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It's often hard to tell what a player will actually do on the stroke. You should be able to tell whether he uses side spin by where the cue ball goes. That will also tell you whether you have side spin. Does your cut-left spot shot go along a similar path as your cut-right spot shot?
right..great point
myself, I shoot where I aim (at least I try to)
so I probably do put more stock in others' aim
than I should
and it's a great reminder to keep an eye on the ol' jawbreaker, anyway
thanks bob!


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05-09-2020, 04:22 PM

High and touch of outside for me...presuming I'm not playing shape on another ball.


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05-09-2020, 04:27 PM

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Generally about 3/4 of a tip above center for a spot shot from the kitchen.

When the cue ball is frozen to head rail, you only have the top 1/8 or maybe
1/4 of the cue ball to stroke so I shoot center ball and reposition my grip or
my hand to only a couple of inches from the top of the cueís wrap. I use a
piston movement & stroke the ball medium speed using 3-4Ē follow through.

I have an Elephant training cue ball thatís 1/2 white and 1/2 red. I shoot using
that ball doing both these practice shots so I can spot any wiggle or wobble on
the cue ball that can inadvertently throw the object ball off upon being contacted.

The goal is to stroke the cue ball where the vertical roll is steady as a straight
line or as close as you can attain. Not many players can just take the cue ball
and stroke it from the kitchen on a 9 ft table to the end rail and back to the head
rail totally wiggle free 4-5x or more in a row. You canít pound the cue ball or you
defeat the purpose of seeing your stroke in action because velocity hides flaws.

After you know you can stroke the cue ball completely in a perpendicular roll and
not have any horizontal wiggle, or a very minuscule amount, spot shots are simple.
cheers bava
I looked at the elephant cb online..unique-looking tool
do you say 4-5x on the up and down is tough
because doing anything one time is easy? or ?
I admire the statement "velocity hides flaws"
and agree that nuance is often lost in a burst of power/speed
doing things slowly tells the truth or what's right and wrong
it might seem like a waste of time
but even when we can run
I find much value in walking


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