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10-31-2013, 11:50 AM

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ive never shot better in my life than several months after attending an spf school. That was years ago and ive picked the game back up and put it back down several times since and my game has backslid accordingly. For me personally, a definitive pause at the back end, say 2 to 4 seconds, was all part of my game improving so much.
I've never seen anybody pause that long. 2 to 4 seconds is a L-O-N-G time. A 1 second pause is a long time.
  
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10-31-2013, 12:12 PM

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Technically - no they don't.


Edit to add - he's not really talking about adding a pause at the end of the backstroke but before he pulls the trigger.
I'm not going to get into an argument but it is impossible to go one direction and then go 180 degrees the opposite direction without a pause even if it is miniscule. Now the definition of what he or even the general public means when it talks about the pause in a stroke... "ok" we can agree that part can be discussed/broken down more. Carry on.


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10-31-2013, 12:15 PM

I'm not convinced a noticeable pause is necessary for all shots, but it helps for some eg long draw shots where you're not mullering the ball. It helps you to accelerate through the CB with more timing and control.
  
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10-31-2013, 12:16 PM

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Anyways, I believe the OP is talking about the pause before he pulls the trigger, not the pause at the end of the back stroke.
What's the difference?
  
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10-31-2013, 12:18 PM

Chris...Well then you've never seen Buddy shoot. He has a VERY defined pause at the end of the backswing...often 2-3 seconds. Allison and Karen's is about 1 second. Mine is about 2/10's of a second (very brief). The key is not how long the pause on the backswing is...but more about how smooth the transition is, from backswing to forward accerated stroke. BTW, the pause at the CB is at least as important, if not more important, as this is where we consciously/subconsciously "decide" if we're going to strike the CB on the next swing...or not. Almost all really good players pause at the CB...most also pause on the backswing...even if it's brief, like mine. You can't go backwards and then forwards without some kind of stop in between. Well, you can...but you will very likely jerk the cue forward, along with the associated problems of tight grip and involving the shoulder...all of which tend to exaggerate and exacerbate small errors in how and where the tip strikes the CB.

One thing to remember, above all...SPF is about TRAINING. When it's get 'grooved in' or ingrained, the process becomes very smooth...as noted by Scottycoyote. In training we advise the student to deliberately slow everything down, and exaggerate all three stops.

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I've never seen anybody pause that long. 2 to 4 seconds is a L-O-N-G time. A 1 second pause is a long time.


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10-31-2013, 12:20 PM

Wow, Tim...you really don't know anything about moving the cuestick successfully...do you? There is a HUGE difference.

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10-31-2013, 12:41 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BfHCP-mmks

this guy actually claims that pause is very difficult to implement and warns that one should be careful before trying to take it into the game. I myself find it problematic to keep it consistent and wonder if it's worth trying to learn it or just having a slow backswing instead.
  
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10-31-2013, 12:44 PM

Even with a slow backswing, you still have to stop to change direction smoothly. It's all a matter off how long to stop, and how smooth the change of direction. IMO the guy in the video is nuts. MOST snooker players use the double pause. It's actually quite easy to learn, from the right teacher!

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this guy actually claims that pause is very difficult to implement and warns that one should be careful before trying to take it into the game. I myself find it problematic to keep it consistent and wonder if it's worth trying to learn it or just having a slow backswing instead.


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10-31-2013, 12:47 PM

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Technically all strokes have a pause in them...they just range in the length of the pause. I find it helps to have a bit of a pause so I don't jerk my cue forward too quickly, but deliver a more smooth stroke and follow through.
I think there is a significant difference between a pause and a Velocity = 0 in the X direction.

For example, a race car driver obviously at some point is going one direction and at some other point he is turned 180 degrees into the opposite direction on the back straight away. I guarantee that this can happen with no pause, yet there is a point of zero velocity in the X direction.

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10-31-2013, 12:49 PM

yes, i know, i was referring to a distinctive pause of which he speaks in the video (one, two, fire)
  
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this guy actually claims that pause is very difficult to implement and warns that one should be careful before trying to take it into the game. I myself find it problematic to keep it consistent and wonder if it's worth trying to learn it or just having a slow backswing instead.
I'm sure his other teaching is very good. But, he finds it very difficult because he's not quite doing it right. He spends half his time talking about someone else's video not being right, and his is probably no better.

The pause does several things if it is at the back of the stroke. It gives one enough time to properly shift their eyes to the ob; it helps ensure a smooth forward stroke; it allows your mind time to say that "all is set" and to shift over to subconscious and then just let your mind shoot the shot when it is ready to, or to get back up and fix what is wrong with the picture.

It does not have to be a set time of 1,2. Nor should it be. That is why he had so much trouble with it. Instead of properly utilizing the pause, he was just concentrating on how long it was. You should never be worried about how long it is, just on why you are doing it.
  
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Interested in people thoughts on adding a pause as suggested by all the SPF instructors. I have started to toy with it - I do feel my stroke is straighter and more accurate.

I see a lot of top level players doing it - SVB, Morra, Landon Shuffett, Alex.

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10-31-2013, 01:20 PM

One thing I don't think has come up but is worth a mention is the break shot. The pause on the break can really rocket your break up a level. No, not in terms of speed but in terms of accuracy on the CB. Check out various slow motion clips of SVB's break on YouTube and you can see him pause at the end of the back stroke, rise up then he goes straight through the CB. People tend to see the break as a smash and grab. Hit it hard and hope for a nice roll. The pause helps so much to transfer as much power into the break, so you don't have to lay into the rack so much.
  
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10-31-2013, 01:39 PM

I tried the pause without ever taking SPF lessons.
I think it's an excellent thing.

I tend to save it for tough shots, long straight ones and such.
It's now just automatic to give that extra time before I swing forward on these.

Arguing whether everyone technically pauses or not is basically for people who enjoy arguing.
It's irrelevant. There is dead time between your final practice stroke and your actual swing.
Use that dead time gather yourself, rehearse the shot mentally, switch your eyes from CB
to OB, and focus on a very straight delivery.

The pause is a GREAT diagnostic tool to make stroke flaws obvious.
When you pause, you will catch yourself trying to steer or jab or dip the tip.
Once you figure out you've been steering (especially on certain shots) you can
work on why you're doing it and how to fix it.
  
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I'm sure his other teaching is very good. But, he finds it very difficult because he's not quite doing it right. He spends half his time talking about someone else's video not being right, and his is probably no better.

The pause does several things if it is at the back of the stroke. It gives one enough time to properly shift their eyes to the ob; it helps ensure a smooth forward stroke; it allows your mind time to say that "all is set" and to shift over to subconscious and then just let your mind shoot the shot when it is ready to, or to get back up and fix what is wrong with the picture.

It does not have to be a set time of 1,2. Nor should it be. That is why he had so much trouble with it. Instead of properly utilizing the pause, he was just concentrating on how long it was. You should never be worried about how long it is, just on why you are doing it.
Thanks for the explanation of the rear pause. I think I will stick to it as I also have heard from snooker TSF forum posters that there are many benefits deriving from the rear pause, such as: smooth acceleration , focusing eyes on the OB, driving through the ball, better follow through etc..
  
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